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#31    questionmark

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:47 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 20 November 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Only you and a few others that are of similar mindset seem to have problems with it, which is understandable.  That's one reason I continue to push it because you don't understand.  Your kind never understands.  I've been very specific answering you in several threads.  You should have by now been able to tell by context what I am talking about and that it is well within established definitions.  That is why language is a defined set of expressions.

As long as you call a left leaning conservative a socialist nobody is going to know what you are talking about, and some who know still will insist in you using the correct term to have a meaningful discussion.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:47 PM

View PostFLOMBIE, on 20 November 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

You don't understand it, so please refrain from making comments like "democracy is socialism". That is as silly as it can get. And I do understand what I am talking about.
Believe me, I understand it.  I’ve been trying to instruct in it across many threads.  I don’t see where it is sinking in?  Democracy does not appear in the Constitution for a reason.  The following is just a little of what the Founding Fathers said about Democracy:

“…democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property. And have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”
James Madison  Essay #10, Federalist Papers

“We are a Republican Government, real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy.”
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“Democracy never lasts long.  It soon exhausts and murders itself.”
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Yes, Democracy plays an integral part in our form of government, but it is not the central principle of it.  Even thought “Socialism” by name was not known then, that is what the FFs were talking about.  Democracy can and does morph into Socialism or Oligarchy or whatever you want to call it.  A rose by any other name…

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:02 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 20 November 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

Believe me, I understand it.  I've been trying to instruct in it across many threads.  I don't see where it is sinking in?  Democracy does not appear in the Constitution for a reason.  The following is just a little of what the Founding Fathers said about Democracy:

"…democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property. And have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."
James Madison  Essay #10, Federalist Papers

"We are a Republican Government, real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy."
Alexander Hamilton

"Democracy never lasts long.  It soon exhausts and murders itself."
Samuel Adams

Yes, Democracy plays an integral part in our form of government, but it is not the central principle of it.  Even thought "Socialism" by name was not known then, that is what the FFs were talking about.  Democracy can and does morph into Socialism or Oligarchy or whatever you want to call it.  A rose by any other name…

And you made that all up by yourself?

Even democracy was pretty limited for the founding fathers, as the concept of citizenship. In fact they had it copied from the British system where only those have have a voice and those who possess are full worthy citizens. And wanting those times back would most probably make you voiceless.

The political system has since then evolved and is since the Civil War Egalitarian, which means one man, one vote. Most of the rights you have now do not stem from the founding fathers but from the time after the Civil War. But not knowing that helps those who want to convert the country into an oligarchy.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:37 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 19 November 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

And I could buy up all the dictionaries in the world and you still wouldn't understand what I am talking about.  It's not all that difficult to understand.  But you being from Greece, I don't know why I even try to explain.
Well... I dont understand what you are talking about either - but I guess as a Brit, living in Spain (working in Germany currently) I clearly have no idea about Democracy, Socialism, Monarchism or anything else! So pray, do enlighten this poor idiot Englishman (same as George Washington methinks) by using the English Language correctly.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:20 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 20 November 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

Well... I dont understand what you are talking about either - but I guess as a Brit, living in Spain (working in Germany currently) I clearly have no idea about Democracy, Socialism, Monarchism or anything else! So pray, do enlighten this poor idiot Englishman (same as George Washington methinks) by using the English Language correctly.

Thankyou, Gracias por adelantado, vielen dank fur ihre hilfe....

I don't think anyone ever understands her. Probably because she uses her own definitions for words. Like socialism. She clearly has no idea what socialism is nor how it works, but continues to tote it as the big bad.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:54 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 20 November 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:



I don't think anyone ever understands her. Probably because she uses her own definitions for words. Like socialism. She clearly has no idea what socialism is nor how it works, but continues to tote it as the big bad.
Ravens a she? You learn something everyday. Hmm... Now that I see the avatar, never noticed.

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