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[seeder]

why wasnt it used in the Italian pyramids then? (oh and guess who built those?)

this thread is getting utterly ridiculous

[lightly]

... just wondering about granite.     Quartz is piezoelectric ?   Quartz is everywhere at the surface of a granite rock,   Partially Exposed   and therefore not insulated by it's neighboring materials .   My wondering is..  since granite has been under great pressure in the past... would the quartz crystals in granite still be under PRESSURE?   If so,  wouldn't they produce piezoelectricity?    However small the amounts?

[Oniomancer]

zoser, on 01 February 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

Granite rings. At least, in my one exposure to it, it did. I've never put much thought into what my gear sits on until I auditioned the Levinson amp I had on a big granite amp stand. There was ringing in the sound. I mentioned it, and an older gentleman there overheard me (he's a recording engineer as well) and he just shook his head and asked me to help him lift the amp off of the stand and put it on the floor. We did that, and the ringing went away. My assumptions about putting my gear on anything changed instantly, it was not a subtle difference, and I will never put my gear on granite.

http://www.audiokarm...p/t-464284.html

Evidence is everywhere!

From four posts directly below that:

"I had an issue with vibration as I live across the street from railroad tracks. I built an isolation platform out of a heavy wooden butcher block board and isolation pods. It still had issues so I went to my local granite supplier. They gave me a piece of granite 1 1/4 inch thick from the scrap pile. It was too big for my cabinet so I had them cut it to 18" x 14" for me. They only charged me for the cutting($10.00) so I got very nice piece of counter top grade granite for $10.00. It solved my vibration problem and I haven't had any issue with ringing."

Ringing rocks are nothing new and their individuality from other rocks even from the same locality is well know if not well understood:

http://en.wikipedia....i/Ringing_rocks

Search lithophones on youtube sometime.

[zoser]

seeder, on 01 February 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

why wasnt it used in the Italian pyramids then? (oh and guess who built those?)

this thread is getting utterly ridiculous

They didn't have the technology.  Simple.  Neither did the Inca who also built pyramids and neither did the Maya is my guess.

[zoser]

Oniomancer, on 01 February 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:

From four posts directly below that:

"I had an issue with vibration as I live across the street from railroad tracks. I built an isolation platform out of a heavy wooden butcher block board and isolation pods. It still had issues so I went to my local granite supplier. They gave me a piece of granite 1 1/4 inch thick from the scrap pile. It was too big for my cabinet so I had them cut it to 18" x 14" for me. They only charged me for the cutting($10.00) so I got very nice piece of counter top grade granite for $10.00. It solved my vibration problem and I haven't had any issue with ringing."

Ringing rocks are nothing new and their individuality from other rocks even from the same locality is well know if not well understood:

http://en.wikipedia....i/Ringing_rocks

Search lithophones on youtube sometime.

It still rings when excited by the correct frequencies!  No argument.  That's why the GP architects went to the immense trouble to tune it.  Think of the work involved with those beams above the upper chamber.  

Tuning is the secret to it all.

[bmk1245]

zoser, on 01 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

So there's something you guys never knew about granite!

Lots of references to the same phenomena with just a little searching.
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Don't say, granite cures cancer. And let me guess - when you "ring" fairies appear.

zoser, on 01 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

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Now you know why it was used in Peru and Egypt .
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And what limestone do? Amplifies granite "resonances"?

zoser, on 01 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

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So just to summarise we have proof that granite rings.  Ringing causes stresses (which is why an empty wine glass can be made to ring and shatter), and by virtue of the unique properties of quartz which are well understood, this produces electrical energy.
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What ringing? Someone farted in the galley? That may had "ringed".
As was already presented to you - its a hogwash. We would use granite in our zippers, instead of certain piezoelectrics.

[zoser]

bmk1245, on 01 February 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Don't say, granite cures cancer. And let me guess - when you "ring" fairies appear.

And what limestone do? Amplifies granite "resonances"?


What ringing? Someone farted in the galley? That may had "ringed".
As was already presented to you - its a hogwash. We would use granite in our zippers, instead of certain piezoelectrics.

No amount of frustration can solve this Mr B.

It is what it is.  I can't help you and I can't change the laws of physics (said Scotty to Kirk).

I'm just little old zoser enjoying my research.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

lightly, on 01 February 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

... just wondering about granite. Quartz is piezoelectric ?   Quartz is everywhere at the surface of a granite rock,   Partially Exposed   and therefore not insulated by it's neighboring materials .   My wondering is..  since granite has been under great pressure in the past... would the quartz crystals in granite still be under PRESSURE?   If so,  wouldn't they produce piezoelectricity? However small the amounts?

i could speculate a few ideas concerning this notion and the "earth lights" phenomenon, but i'm not going to venture any more suggestions because I'll just be jumped on and shouted down again by all those who know so much more than me, so I'm not going to say anything any more.

[zoser]

Lord Vetinari, on 01 February 2013 - 08:40 PM, said:

i could speculate a few ideas concerning this notion and the "earth lights" phenomenon, but i'm not going to venture any more suggestions because I'll just be jumped on and shouted down again by all those who know so much more than me, so I'm not going to say anything any more.

Go for it.  My experience is that people here are very open minded and spend much time reflecting on new ideas before expressing an opinion.

Edited by zoser, 01 February 2013 - 08:44 PM.

[bmk1245]

lightly, on 01 February 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

[...]  Quartz is piezoelectric ? [...]

Yes

lightly, on 01 February 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

[...]  Quartz is everywhere at the surface of a granite rock,   Partially Exposed   and therefore not insulated by it's neighboring materials .  [...]

Nope, quartz crystallites are everywhere, i.e. as on the surface, as well in the bulk.

lightly, on 01 February 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

[...]   My wondering is..  since granite has been under great pressure in the past... would the quartz crystals in granite still be under PRESSURE?   [...]

Only "pressure" is the pressure that "squeezes" you, i.e. small in comparison you squeeze your lighter. Try to blow to your lighter, will it "work"?

[zoser]

bmk1245, on 01 February 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

Yes

Nope, quartz crystallites are everywhere, i.e. as on the surface, as well in the bulk.

Only "pressure" is the pressure that "squeezes" you, i.e. small in comparison you squeeze your lighter. Try to blow to your lighter, will it "work"?

One more thought for the evening.  I conjectured earlier in the thread that the metal clamps between the Peruvian andesite stones could have been for electrical rather than mechanical coupling on the basis that some looked far too small to provide mechanical security.

According to what has been established tonight, I reckon this lends more credence to the theory.

[Harte]

zoser, on 01 February 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

Difficult to debunk I agree.  Dunn has nailed it.  In principle at least.  No one thought to ask the question why the granite was there.  No one thought to ask what purpose the vacant chambers above the upper chamber served.

They could quite easily be solid masonry.  They are not.  The beams could quite easily be precision cut.  They are not.

The upper chamber could quite easily be placed flat on the core masonry.  It is not.

In fact, had they built this way, collapse would have been inevitable.

The chambers above serve to direct the weight above the king's chamber to the sides of the chamber (the walls) to prevent collapse of the ceiling.

No, they couldn't have "quite easily" done anything you list above, in the sense that they were building to last.  Obviously, it would have been easier, but if that's your criterion, it would have been easier to feed the dead pharoah to the jackals.

Your claim that "no one thought to ask what purpose ... (they) ... serve" is a raw exhibition of the broad, gaping extent of your own ignorance.  Are you going to force me to cobntinually point out this vacancy of intellect?  This isn't the first time I've done so - in this thread alone.

Also, anyone that's interested, there is nothing special about an expanse of granite having a resonant frequency.

Everything that exists physically has a resonant frequency.

A pile of clay has a resonant frequency.  Your house has a resonant frequency.  Your skull has a resonant frequency.

Pointing out that some cut pieces of granite have a resonant frequency is like saying "Look!  See this granite?  It exists!!!"

Harte

[bmk1245]

zoser, on 01 February 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

No amount of frustration can solve this Mr B.
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Thats not frustration, and yes, no frustration can solve this, but common sense and real (of knowledgeable UM members) knowledge already gave the solution to this.

zoser, on 01 February 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

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It is what it is.  I can't help you and I can't change the laws of physics (said Scotty to Kirk).
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I haven't seen any trying to change the laws of physics - everything is in consistence with what we know and what we can extrapolate.

zoser, on 01 February 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

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I'm just little old zoser enjoying my research.

Sorry, zoser, thats not research, all your posts contradict the concept of research. Thats simply clicking one (of two) key - "Porn".

[Harte]

zoser, on 01 February 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

No amount of frustration can solve this Mr B.

It is what it is.  I can't help you and I can't change the laws of physics (said Scotty to Kirk).

Nor, apparently, can you understand them.

Harte

[seeder]

After the first commercial, we turn to the Great Pyramid, the subject of more than 150 speculative theories about its “real” purpose. In the pyramids there are symbolic passageways, closed to the outside, pointing to the stars. Because they are closed, AATs tell us that the pyramid was really a power plant, on the authority of Chris Dunn, who follows his Victorian predecessors in attributing to the pyramid fabulous precision (to “a fraction of an inch”—which isn’t true:

Flinders Petrie, for example found a discrepancy in the orientation between core and casing stones amounting to 75 inches) and thus making it a machine capable of generating electricity due to “vibrations” caused by water flooding the subterranean chamber. To make this work, Dunn suggests that hydrogen gas was pumped into the pyramid (from what pumps?) to create a proton energy beam. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Egyptians had any hydrogen gas or could manufacture or store it (no impermeable containers for such gas have ever been found); he deduces the gas based on the suitability of the King’s Chamber’s dimensions for a laser system to run the gas system!  

And where were the lasers attached? There aren’t any holes to hold them. “We can use our imaginations and come up with all kinds of devices” to run on the imaginary proton beam, Dunn says. No fooling.

The late Philip Coppens shows up next to assert that “many” pyramids were found intact but empty, implying that pyramids were not tombs. This sound byte also appeared in S05E01 "Secrets of the Pyramids" two weeks ago. He appears to be referring to Horus-Sekhem-Khet’s unfinished pyramid, whose burial chamber was found sealed in 1953 and when opened in 1954 proved empty.

Coppens discusses this in his Canopus Revelation (2004). Archaeologists believe that when the pyramid was abandoned, the burial chamber was sealed as a decoy and the king buried elsewhere. Somehow this one intact empty burial chamber becomes “many” when Coppens, in his final Ancient Aliens interview, misremembered his own work.

In his book Coppens quotes Kurt Mendelsshon as lamenting the “too many empty tomb chambers,” but Mendelsshon was no archaeologist; he was a physicist who argued that he pyramids were symbolic tombs, cenotaphs, not actual tombs. But mummies have been found in pyramids, including that of Queen Seshseshet at Saqqara; and Al-Maqrizi preserved the report of those who first entered the Giza pyramids and claimed that “Bodies buried in the pyramid were, they say, wrapped in cloth frayed by time and that this was made of thread of gold impregnated with compounds that formed a mass of myrrh and aloe to the thickness of a span.” A good description of a mummy, no?

Jason Martell then claims that obelisks and monoliths worldwide were meant to channel electricity because they are, as the narrator claims, “unsuitable” for shelter, shade, or storage. (Unlike, say, statues, Sphinxes, or cave paintings.) David Childress tells us, in an interview recycled from an earlier episode, that the obelisks channeled earth energy into the sky and around the world in a wireless power grid using the power of quartz crystals embedded in their granite structure using the concept of piezoelectricity, or the charge the accumulates when crystals experience applied mechanical pressure.

(The first time around, he went on to say that the obelisks beamed power to Easter Island to levitate the colossal heads.) There is, of course, no evidence that the quartz embedded in the granite of the obelisks was ever under significant mechanical pressure. We get some pretty pictures of crystals, but we don’t get at the essential problem: Why aren’t the obelisks churning out electricity now? Shouldn’t these obelisks be sparking all the time or beaming measurable power upward? Why did they stop? Ah, but the show anticipates this objection, though not until the very end.


http://www.jasoncola...wer-plants.html





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Edited by seeder, 01 February 2013 - 09:09 PM.