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[Kludge808]

psyche101, on 27 February 2013 - 11:36 PM, said:

I put up a Paris Hilton wallpaper in the office on my screen, all the girls got really wound up! I explained her as a poorly misunderstood girl who just needs someone to show her the way, and that a little understanding with her would go a long way. And deep down, I am sure she is a real sweetheart.

Damn it's fun watching the reactions

ROFLMAO!  About the only thing I can see she's good for is serving as a bad example.  I think she'd even mess that up.

[Kludge808]

psyche101, on 27 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

But if you just hand over a piece and it is determined Alien, then you are in the ball park for the asking price on the rest of the "whatever it may be" (ray gun, spaceship, communicator or something)
Imagine that auction!

Cheers.

That's only if the SDC doesn't get to you first with their Microwave Mind Blaster* (MMB), y'know.  

* Also known as a Microwave Mind Melter (MMM) but Monsanto Mining & Manufacturing (3M) kinda got upset about that name.

Seriously, if you have an item and you hand over a small piece of it, life could get very, very exciting once it was verified.  But who would you hand it over to?  If I wanted it to go to NASA, I'd probably have to go up to the top of Mauna Kea so I'd probably take it to UH's Physics department first.  It's not top line or even second tier but at least the folks there have a clue and would recognize that Something Just Ain't Right about it.  From there, who knows but I'd want to go with it where ever it heads next, especially if someone else is picking up the tab.    After verification, I want my daughter to be cured, otherwise it's my toy and I will take it back home with me.  (Watch all the FTBs and CTists jump out and tell me how that ain't gonna happen. )

As to the big piece ... if no cure then it's a decoration.  If she is cured, the fun can commence.

[psyche101]

Kludge808, on 28 February 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

Yep.  Haven't heard a lot about Mr. Element 115 of late, have we.  He's got that chemical etc supply store up in Michigan and even there he got into trouble.  The saving grace is that he's got some pretty cool stuff and I may actually place an order or two.

United Nuclear? I have seen the site, not had a decent browse yet, any particularly good toys? I must get back to that radio telescope project, kinda hit the ground running this year.

I suspect a ray gun might be too much to ask of Bob.

Kludge808, on 28 February 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

I've not seen Our Dear Miss Bee for a while.  Maybe I'm on the wrong threads.  How's she doing?

I saw her in the CT section the other day pushing some craziness about the towers being brought down by a death ray not planes. No change there.

Kludge808, on 28 February 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

And you're a (step-)grampa with a new granddaughter to spoil most outrageously.  And you nkow bloody well she'll have you twisted around her little finger in no time flat.

Edit to fix a mi-located quote thingie

Already underway, before she got home I had bought a baby monitor with fancy stars lights it projects on the ceiling, built in lullabies and a range monitor to tell Mum if she is walking out of range In pink too. Being premmy it's a very small finger, but yes, sufficiently wrapped around it already. As if her Mum didn't have me there already!

Kludge808, on 28 February 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

ROFLMAO!  About the only thing I can see she's good for is serving as a bad example.  I think she'd even mess that up.

Seriously mate, you have to try it. The reactions are priceless. The girls get real upset over it, I think my record for a straight face is 4 and 1/2 minutes. Then the fun really starts!!

Edited by psyche101, 28 February 2013 - 06:34 AM.

[psyche101]

Kludge808, on 28 February 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

That's only if the SDC doesn't get to you first with their Microwave Mind Blaster* (MMB), y'know.  

* Also known as a Microwave Mind Melter (MMM) but Monsanto Mining & Manufacturing (3M) kinda got upset about that name.

Cover up!!!!!!

Nah, just wanted to now what it felt like. Nothing special really.

Kludge808, on 28 February 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

Seriously, if you have an item and you hand over a small piece of it, life could get very, very exciting once it was verified.  But who would you hand it over to?  If I wanted it to go to NASA, I'd probably have to go up to the top of Mauna Kea so I'd probably take it to UH's Physics department first.  It's not top line or even second tier but at least the folks there have a clue and would recognize that Something Just Ain't Right about it.  From there, who knows but I'd want to go with it where ever it heads next, especially if someone else is picking up the tab.    After verification, I want my daughter to be cured, otherwise it's my toy and I will take it back home with me.  (Watch all the FTBs and CTists jump out and tell me how that ain't gonna happen. )

My little sister spent some time in the RAAF, but I reckon with something like this I would go to the biggest philanthropist I could find, here in Oz I would probably approach someone like Dick Smith, or in the states, maybe Ricard Branson? I woud want some sort of rights I would think, not something you would outright sell, but sell the right to study possibly. If any products emerge you would want even  2% cut of that. It sure would be good to see a major breakthrough in medecine and or energy. Like wining the lottery I would think.

Kludge808, on 28 February 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

As to the big piece ... if no cure then it's a decoration.  If she is cured, the fun can commence.

If it is no cure, lets take em back where they came from!

[quillius]

Kludge808, on 27 February 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

Okay, I ain't Psyche and I don't even play him on the telly but I'm gonna take a shot anyway.

I think you two are quite similar actually in some ways.

Kludge808, on 27 February 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

What we use for resistors now is far and beyond what was available around the beginning of the 20th century.  If someone from that era were to pick up a resistor as used now - metal film, for example - they'd think it some era-appropriate parallel to alien technology, definitely advanced beyond anything that could be produced at the time.  An SMD resistor would drive them into a mad frenzy even if they could identify its function.  Or maybe especially.  If we find some piece of technology that is far and beyond anything we can even imagine let alone reproduce, that's a good starting point.  It would be to us as that metal film or SMD resistor would be to someone a century ago.

yes but that is what it would be a starting point...not proof of visitation. How do you get the transistor into the context of secret technology? I thought by default secret technology is just that secret, so how do we compare how advanced it is in comparison with our best tech when the best tech is an unknown, at least in public?

Kludge808, on 27 February 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

The real problem comes in someone with no knowledge of technology identifying it as something that can't be reproduced here.  To him/her, it's just a piece of junk that needs to be deposited in the nearest bin.  Or used as a decoration in a flower arrangement or as a mantelpiece if it's pretty enough.  The same would be true of that resistor mentioned before.  Someone who had no grasp on technology would have just dropped it in a bin as junk lying around waiting to be binned.  Unfortunately folks like that outnumber those who do have a handle on technology - or enough of one to see that what they found was somehow special - by a vast margin. As a result, unless it can be even indirectly identified with an alien craft of some order, the majority of the population wont know the difference.

But then, there are things like the piece of HV cable Psyche mentioned previously.  Non-alien tech has been misidentified by people unfamiliar with current technology and the FTBs latched onto it as "undeniable proof" of an alien presence.  This complicates things by adding chaff to the wheat that must be sorted through to get to that rare nugget, if one exists at all.  All it would take is one and, thus far, it hasn't made an appearance to anyone who is knowledgeable enough to know "it somehow ain't right."

the bolded is exaclty what I was saying how do we compare the resistor with the best known human tech...and then apply a time frame to the difference?

Kludge808, on 27 February 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

Hello, my friend.

Yep.  You're an investigator and one well respected by us skeptical types.  In fact, I believe we're on the same side of the fence but just see with different eyes.

thanks, as I have said before I think a majority of people are skeptical, we just all interperet evidence in different ways.

Kludge808, on 27 February 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

A cure for my daughter.

That sounds as worthy a cause as any.

Kludge808, on 27 February 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

A permanent one so she can again have a happy and healthy life.  Without that, it's just something to put on a shelf.  However, that's just me.  Going with those who'd be interested, to different people it would have different value and/or meaning.  Some would see it as a golden key to untold riches and others would be happy to donate it to whomever for analysis etc.  And some would destroy or at least hide it out of fear of some reprisal for even temporary possession whether real or, more likely, imagined.  I don't think there's an easy way to set a value on it.  How much is fifteen minutes of fame worth these days?

for you yes, it seems you have your priorities in order, with two daughters of my own I hear you loud and clear.

the 100k though is pitted against the golden key to untold riched, therefore my lottery analogy works in that 100k is meaningless in comparison to potential income form proof 100%.

[quillius]

psyche101, on 27 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

Giddy Q

Been too long my friend.

Natural Abundance mate

Shh, Friedman I think you mean, but I did not say that lol.

Gidday mate,

seems like my absense has been detremental to my thinking...lol yes indeed it was ofcourse Friedman...I think I still had Hynek and tjose tapes for the Father Gills case on my mind.... (or at least thats my excuse and im sticking with it)

psyche101, on 27 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

LINK - Wikipedia:


In chemistry, natural abundance (NA) refers to the abundance of isotopes of a chemical element as naturally found on a planet. The relative atomic mass (a weighted average) of these isotopes is the atomic weight listed for the element in the periodic table. The abundance of an isotope varies from planet to planet, and even from place to place on the Earth, but remains relatively constant in time.
As an example, uranium has three naturally occurring isotopes: ²³⁸U, ²³⁵U and ²³⁴U. Their respective NA range from 99.2739 - 99.2752%, 0.7198 - 0.7202%, and 0.0050 - 0.0059%.^[1] For example, if 100,000 uranium atoms were analyzed, one would expect to find approximately 99,275 ²³⁸U atoms, 720 ²³⁵U atoms, and no more than 5 or 6 ²³⁴U atoms. This is because ²³⁸U is much more stable than ²³⁵U or ²³⁴U, as the half-life of each isotope reveals: 4.468×10⁹ years for ²³⁸U compared to 7.038×10⁸ years for ²³⁵U and 245,500 years for ²³⁴U. However, the natural abundance of a given isotope is also affected by the probability of its creation in nucleosynthesis (as in the case of samarium; radioactive ¹⁴⁷Sm and ¹⁴⁸Sm are much more abundant than stable ¹⁴⁴Sm) and by production of a given isotope by natural radioactive isotopes (as in the case of radiogenic isotopes of lead).

Isotopic ratios are easily acquired in a lab, not all that expensive either. This will determine 100% for sure if a resistor is an alien one. Life too has independent biosignatures. Finding life on say Europa does not particularly mean it is "alien"in the true sense of the word, that is if it originated here, and was transported to Europa perhaps by panspermia or similar, then it is not truly Alien.

I think this is a fair point, however I would challenge it to this extent: if a piece of material is found with a make up of isotopes not found here on Earth (before) would you class this as:
1- alien life
2- alien visitation
3- ET origin of 'material'

? all, one , none or any other combo of the above?

psyche101, on 27 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

But if you just hand over a piece and it is determined Alien, then you are in the ball park for the asking price on the rest of the "whatever it may be" (ray gun, spaceship, communicator or something)
Imagine that auction!

Cheers.

but what if all you have is one piece.....would this ever be enough?.

[Skeptic Chicken]

Go raid Area 51. I'm sure the $100,000 will be very nice in the many years after you're put in jail for invading a military site that may or may not have something alien related in it.

[quillius]

Skeptic Chicken, on 28 February 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Go raid Area 51. I'm sure the $100,000 will be very nice in the many years after you're put in jail for invading a military site that may or may not have something alien related in it.

what 100k?

[psyche101]

quillius, on 28 February 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

Gidday mate,

seems like my absense has been detremental to my thinking...lol yes indeed it was ofcourse Friedman...I think I still had Hynek and tjose tapes for the Father Gills case on my mind.... (or at least thats my excuse and im sticking with it)

Accepted

quillius, on 28 February 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

I think this is a fair point, however I would challenge it to this extent: if a piece of material is found with a make up of isotopes not found here on Earth (before) would you class this as:
1- alien life
2- alien visitation
3- ET origin of 'material'

? all, one , none or any other combo of the above?

That would depend on obvious manufacture or not, an alien resistor? Yes, A piece of metal? No. A simple piece of metal could be from a meteor. Could someone get a meteor, take the metal, and manufacture an artifact? That could be a real spanner in the works, but it would get attention. However, if it is part of something bigger, it will not be hard to prove the tech is Alien I would think.

quillius, on 28 February 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

but what if all you have is one piece.....would this ever be enough?.

Again, depending on appearance, if obvious manufacture not by our means I think we have a starter. If only one alien nut or bolt that could have been fashioned from an unknown meteorite, it would be in doubt. But still compelling.

Edited by psyche101, 28 February 2013 - 11:42 PM.

[DONTEATUS]

100K will be about worth 3cents by the time we get Real evidence of a UFO,OR E.T !
I say Lets all fly off this rock and Set out with the Posse Looking for those little Green buggers !

[Capt Amerika]

Sorry but the Aliens are paying me more to keep their secret.

[archernyc]

Hey guys, just stopping by for a minute.  James Fox has a FB page and on there, he says that they'll be providing additional details about the reward at the 2013 UFO Congress, which if I used google correctly, is this weekend.  Here's what he had to say:  

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We are anticipating the vast majority will be hoaxes or swamp gas (LOL) but lets hope that a small percentage (or maybe less than 1%) will be the real thing...then it will have all been worth while.

No one loses rights to anything ever. If we decide it's authentic (real) not hoaxed and is impressive enough for the film but not for the $100,000 prize then we will make an offer that's fair for both parties. I don't like money being the deciding factor for anything but the truth is, people respond to money more than anything else and yes someone else will profit from others either way.

If it's ambiguous, blurry, without points of reference, on odd light in a pitch black field, then please don't bother sending. We are looking for something up close, in focus, preferably taken from military officials or from well researched cases like Bentwaters, Varghinia, or Phoenix lights. This does not mean we are not considering others, just giving some examples of what we're after. Many thanks.

we will have the best visual FX expert we can obtain...that's for sure, but we are not intending to base our findings on a picture or piece of video but when you match it with credible testimony form military officials around the world then you begin to have a more complete picture...and I never used the word alien space craft, Huffington Post did that. I mean if we have the best proof possible that flying saucers, UFOs exist then someone is going to have some serious explaining to do.

PS how are we supposed to know where they're from? It's either all terrestrial activity or it's not...and if it's not then we're not alone.

He also responded to one poster (I couldn't read what she had to say, but apparently she was recounting some sort of sighting/experience and photographic proof) that "I'm sure more dollars could be found."

I suspect that this stunt is more about publicity for the new movie which does sound intriguing, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. From what he had to say above, though, they seem to be pretty serious about the type of evidence that they will accept.

[meteorlima]

Analysis Report on Metal Samples from the 1947 UFO Crash on the Plains of San Augustine,New Mexico....http://www.chuckwade...O Crash(v4).pdf

[psyche101]

LOL

[badeskov]

psyche101, on 04 March 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

LOL

Indeed. I like this one (pp. 7 and 8):

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Scanning electron microscope (SEM) images were taken of all of the samples, at magnification ranging
from 25X to 15,000X. Higher magnifications were not used because a problem was encountered in
focusing on these samples at higher magnification. The focusing problem was of sufficient magnitude to
preclude the use of magnifications greater than 15,000X.

Say what? Is their equipment broken or what? How can one not focus? We regularly do such and I have yet to encounter that problem. Oh well, the rest of the report aren't exactly of the quality I would expect if I sent a sample for analysis.

Cheers,
Badeskov