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Guns Do Not Kill People


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#61    freetoroam

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:47 PM

My argument isn't trying to sell guns, it's trying to get people like you to agree with me that guns need to be controlled in the hands of governments as well as they need to be controlled with civilians.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:49 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 10 January 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

Guns do kill people. They also wound and maim.
Really now?   Okay then accepting that rhetoric, guns also defend people.  Guns also save lives.  Guns also enforce the law.  

Julie Borowski is right.  Guns are inanimate, neutral, and not the problem.   People are the problem.  And more government time-wasting line-drawing by bureaucrats who have no knowledge of what causes Newtowns is not the solution.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:58 PM

This atmosphere of paranoia today boils down to ignorant bureaucrats copping out and blaming the gun because it's too difficult to undress the problem for what it really is.   Government isn't interested in doing what's best for the American people because they don't care about you or I.   There's no love between us.   They're interested in responding to emotional reactions, and creating emotional reactions, and winning elections.  They're interested in doing what's irresponsible and lazy, not what's hard.   It's too hard to admit that outcasts kill people.   It's too hard to admit that bad parenting kills people.  That mental illness kills people.   That prescription drugs kill people.   So they sweep all that latent potential to actually prevent the next tragedy under the rug and pump their silly rhetoric about guns, guns, guns, guns, guns.   I could say it's a lack of intelligence but it's a lot worse than that.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:36 AM

View PostYamato, on 10 January 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Really now?   Okay then accepting that rhetoric, guns also defend people.  Guns also save lives.  Guns also enforce the law.  

Julie Borowski is right.  Guns are inanimate, neutral, and not the problem.   People are the problem.  And more government time-wasting line-drawing by bureaucrats who have no knowledge of what causes Newtowns is not the solution.
Can we ban people then?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:56 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 11 January 2013 - 02:36 AM, said:

Can we ban people then?
Is "ban" the right verb to use over this issue?

We can prevent the problem -violent murderous behavior- by learning what the causes of it are and addressing those.   George Carlin has it pegged pretty accurately as it relates to a government's foreign policy.  



Julie Borowski described it well in the OP video as it relates to individuals.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 11 January 2013 - 02:36 AM, said:

Can we ban people then?

we ban crimes, we jail\execute criminals.

Edited by aztek, 13 January 2013 - 09:31 PM.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:34 AM

View Postaztek, on 13 January 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

we ban crimes, we jail\execute criminals.
We wish we could ban crime, just like some of us wish we could ban guns.   To "ban" is the wrong verb.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:55 AM

View PostYamato, on 14 January 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

We wish we could ban crime, just like some of us wish we could ban guns.   To "ban" is the wrong verb.

but we do, ban=illegal, crime by definition is illegal thus banned.

any ban doesn't make things disappear, they only make it illegal

Edited by aztek, 14 January 2013 - 01:58 AM.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:26 AM

View Postaztek, on 14 January 2013 - 01:55 AM, said:

but we do, ban=illegal, crime by definition is illegal thus banned.

any ban doesn't make things disappear, they only make it illegal
No, we refer to the dictionary:  2a: To prohibit by legal means.  

That is, To prevent from doing something by legal means.
http://www.merriam-w...ionary/prohibit

That's exactly making that thing disappear, and it's the fake and/or wannabe goal of the people you're arguing with.

Government isn't going to prevent crime from happening, guns from happening, drugs from happening, or anything else from happening.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:49 AM

...I'm just so much more into the psychological health of modern society as opposed to guns...

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:22 AM

Let's talk about what we CAN and SHOULD do, and discuss why we should/shouldn't have guns and act like something is going to change! Let's pretend we can do something to stop people killing people without taking away something we reeeeeally like.


I think the best thing to do would be to keep the large guns on farms and firing ranges, and small handguns unloaded in a desk or something. I mean, really. What do you even need a gun for? Self protection? I've never needed a gun and I live in a suburb where all the wogs are angry and get guns on the black market.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:23 AM

View PostZaraKitty, on 14 January 2013 - 03:22 AM, said:

Let's talk about what we CAN and SHOULD do, and discuss why we should/shouldn't have guns and act like something is going to change! Let's pretend we can do something to stop people killing people without taking away something we reeeeeally like.


I think the best thing to do would be to keep the large guns on farms and firing ranges, and small handguns unloaded in a desk or something. I mean, really. What do you even need a gun for? Self protection? I've never needed a gun and I live in a suburb where all the wogs are angry and get guns on the black market.

I feel the same way.  Guns serve absolutely no civilian purpose at all.  The GOV loves every single one of us.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:29 AM

I think if someone wants to go on a killer crazy rampage then they are going to do it wether guns are legal or not. As is stands guns might be legal, but shooting people with them isnt, but it doesnt seem to be stopping people. Banning the gun isn't going to stop criminals using them, it's only going to stop non criminals.

To quote Prince Philip, If a guy walks into a school and starts smashing the kids heads in with a cricket bat, are you going to ban cricket?


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:07 AM

View Postacidhead, on 14 January 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

I feel the same way.  Guns serve absolutely no civilian purpose at all.  The GOV loves every single one of us.

Before you continue, I am not an American and therefor I am not deathly afraid the government is going to bust down my door and rape my family.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:29 PM

View PostZaraKitty, on 14 January 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

Before you continue, I am not an American and therefor I am not deathly afraid the government is going to bust down my door and rape my family.
Itís nice to know you currently feel that way.  And it may never happen in your lifetime but maybe in your childrenís lifetime.  One day the government will come knocking as all governments do.  When given more and more power, that is the primary reason for the existence of government.  Instead of minding its own business and just run the government, it must harass the people to protect itself from them.  Most of the time, itís done with carrots but ever increasingly itís done by force to some level.  Either way, it is enslavement.

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