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#76    CrimsonKing

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:26 AM

View PostB Jenkins, on 15 March 2013 - 06:10 AM, said:

Same could be argued for angels, whether one believes in them or not is not the principal I am addressing. Just answer the question, why dont scientists study angels?

Why don't scientist take up the study of angels demons?

Very easily answered because none can explain them,there is no proof they exist.

Well that was about the easiest answer i have ever been asked about to explain on this forum :whistle:

Honestly i believe that spirits can exist energy never dies,but what one puts as a good or bad possible spirit that they have no proof even exist is pure foolishness.

There question answered.If you want a expert opinion to tell you the same thing ask a scientist why they do not study things that have no factual basis to them or why people label one good or bad.A scientist i am not,if you do not believe in science i have plenty of good ideas i can prove if you want to send me a bit of cash to fund my projects :D

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:50 AM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 15 March 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

Very easily answered because none can explain them,there is no proof they exist.

Well that was about the easiest answer i have ever been asked about to explain on this forum :whistle:

Honestly i believe that spirits can exist energy never dies,but what one puts as a good or bad possible spirit that they have no proof even exist is pure foolishness.

There question answered.If you want a expert opinion to tell you the same thing ask a scientist why they do not study things that have no factual basis to them or why people label one good or bad.A scientist i am not,if you do not believe in science i have plenty of good ideas i can prove if you want to send me a bit of cash to fund my projects :D

The precise point I am making, as this phenomenon can not be reproduced in a lab. A scientist can not study ouija boards. Neither can they study the effects of ouija boards. Just that people beleive they have come into contact with demons and it lead to alot of bad and frightening things.

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Physical ailments such as sleeplessness, nightmares, strong anxiety, self-mutilation, addictions, and physical illness.

Spiritual deadness that includes apathy and anger towards God, interest in false religious systems.

Emotional upheaval such as regular outbursts of anger, high and low emotional levels, self-justification, fear, hopelessness, abnormal fixations, etc.

Financial difficulties such as constant and unusual financial pressures. Sometimes numerous things go wrong all very quickly and it causes us great financial strain.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:36 AM

We do not have much of a argument then i believe strange things do happen and some believe strange things have happened.Science is there to prove the possibility or the reality of what is and what can be proven.I have seen things that i knew were real but what is real or not has to have some kind of proof atleast in this reality is all i am saying.Ouija boards i have been around with several people telling their stories and that so and so really knew what they were doing nothing!Nadda!Zip!Zilch!Zero!Absolutely no proof at all the only common thing these "experiences" had in commen was me.Never the same people,place,or anything else just my laughs when told it must be my energy lmao.A more arrogant type person would believe themselves to be a god of some sort with that 1 very simple answer  :lol:

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:49 AM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 15 March 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

We do not have much of a argument then i believe strange things do happen and some believe strange things have happened.Science is there to prove the possibility or the reality of what is and what can be proven.I have seen things that i knew were real but what is real or not has to have some kind of proof atleast in this reality is all i am saying.Ouija boards i have been around with several people telling their stories and that so and so really knew what they were doing nothing!Nadda!Zip!Zilch!Zero!Absolutely no proof at all the only common thing these "experiences" had in commen was me.Never the same people,place,or anything else just my laughs when told it must be my energy lmao.A more arrogant type person would believe themselves to be a god of some sort with that 1 very simple answer  :lol:

Okay, you're experiments with the ouija board has been benign. But my beliefs are one does not make any effort to contact spirits because it may open demonic doors and lead to the ultimate source of pain and misery and misfortune.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:03 AM

View PostB Jenkins, on 15 March 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

Okay, you're experiments with the ouija board has been benign. But my beliefs are one does not make any effort to contact spirits because it may open demonic doors and lead to the ultimate source of pain and misery and misfortune.

I do not discredit the way you think,sometimes it is best to leave well enough alone lol.As i said i have witnessed a few things before and one or two i just got my ass out of dodge :lol:

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

Even if the "spirit"pushes, pulls or uses any other method to move the glass the result is the same. The glass would move first, and the participants fingers on top would have to move to keep up with the movement of the glass, causing the stack of coins to lean backwards. This never happens. The stack always leans forwards, proving that the participants fingers move the glass, not some unseen "spirit".


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:24 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 15 March 2013 - 12:49 AM, said:

I know what you are saying. But that will work only if the spirit "pull" the glass. No where says that a spirit have to pull the glass to make it move. It can simply put his fingers on the glass and push it like normal participants do. Now try to imagine that a spirit isn't a species with superpower that can move the glass with its mind, simply imagine that it's just a normal person in flesh and blood, what would it do?
Even if the "spirit"pushes, pulls or uses any other method to move the glass the result is the same. The glass would move first, and the participants fingers on top would have to move to keep up with the movement of the glass, causing the stack of coins to lean backwards. This never happens. The stack always leans forwards, proving that the participants fingers move the glass, not some unseen "spirit".


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:54 PM

View Postvoiceofreason, on 19 March 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

Even if the "spirit"pushes, pulls or uses any other method to move the glass the result is the same. The glass would move first, and the participants fingers on top would have to move to keep up with the movement of the glass, causing the stack of coins to lean backwards. This never happens. The stack always leans forwards, proving that the participants fingers move the glass, not some unseen "spirit".
"Participants" include the spirit. The spirit could just put his finger on the glass like a real person and push the glass. There is no difference between a human finger and a spirit finger pushing, just because a spirit isn't made in flesh and blood.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:14 AM

View PostB Jenkins, on 15 March 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

Okay, you're experiments with the ouija board has been benign. But my beliefs are one does not make any effort to contact spirits because it may open demonic doors and lead to the ultimate source of pain and misery and misfortune.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:16 AM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 15 March 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

Very easily answered because none can explain them,there is no proof they exist.

Well that was about the easiest answer i have ever been asked about to explain on this forum :whistle:

Honestly i believe that spirits can exist energy never dies,but what one puts as a good or bad possible spirit that they have no proof even exist is pure foolishness.

There question answered.If you want a expert opinion to tell you the same thing ask a scientist why they do not study things that have no factual basis to them or why people label one good or bad.A scientist i am not,if you do not believe in science i have plenty of good ideas i can prove if you want to send me a bit of cash to fund my projects :D


Science has and does research these things.......

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:40 AM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 25 October 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

i was thinking of buying a ouiji board anx trying to contact any demon or spirit that i can talk to just so i can see it with my own eyes.



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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:49 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 25 October 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Maybe it is just me, but talking to myself isn't that entertaining.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 12:49 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 19 March 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

"Participants" include the spirit. The spirit could just put his finger on the glass like a real person and push the glass. There is no difference between a human finger and a spirit finger pushing, just because a spirit isn't made in flesh and blood.
I think we a re going to have to agree to disagree. You are never going to accept that it is the human participants that move the glass. There is one more " proof". Take a book. Any book. Randomly highlight a sentence and then hide the book. Invite several people to use the ouija board. Once they have "made contact" ask the spirit to repeat the highlighted sentence. The "spirit" always fails.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:52 PM

View Postvoiceofreason, on 20 March 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

I think we a re going to have to agree to disagree. You are never going to accept that it is the human participants that move the glass. There is one more " proof". Take a book. Any book. Randomly highlight a sentence and then hide the book. Invite several people to use the ouija board. Once they have "made contact" ask the spirit to repeat the highlighted sentence. The "spirit" always fails.
Of course it fails, spirit isn't God. Just because it is a spirit, doesn't make it omniscient. There is no proof that there is actually a spirit watching you highlighted a sentence and saw you hide the book, and there is no proof that the spirit you contacted is actually the spirit saw your doings, it could just be a random spirit fly from the sky.

You didn't explain why a spirit finger is different than a human finger when pushing the glass.
Example, the spirit could put his hand like this on top of your hands and make it moving

So what argument you're gonna use to say such position is impossible for the glass to move in a normal way?


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:36 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 20 March 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Of course it fails, spirit isn't God. Just because it is a spirit, doesn't make it omniscient. There is no proof that there is actually a spirit watching you highlighted a sentence and saw you hide the book, and there is no proof that the spirit you contacted is actually the spirit saw your doings, it could just be a random spirit fly from the sky.

You didn't explain why a spirit finger is different than a human finger when pushing the glass.
Example, the spirit could put his hand like this on top of your hands and make it moving

So what argument you're gonna use to say such position is impossible for the glass to move in a normal way?
Because it's a trick, like most of the spiritualism stuff. Although you do make a good point that there is no proof that the spirit watched you highlight the sentence. So, try this, once a "spirit " has been contacted, explain that you are going to highlight a sentence in a book. Then do it so only the participants cannot see the highlighted sentence. Then place the book, open at the highlighted page, in a position that cannot be seen by the human participants, but can be seen by anyone or anything else in the room. Then ask for the sentence to be spelled out. Again, the sentence is never spelled out. However, if you leave the room, the sentence is "mysteriously" repeated by the spirit.





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