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#1    Detective Mystery 2014

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:21 AM

Let's say that Trayvon Martin was of European and Latin American descent. Let's say that George Zimmerman has completely SSA ancestry. What would the media coverage be like? Would the story even be a blip on the network news radar screens?

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:30 AM

what's SSA Ancestry DM?

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:38 AM

View Postshrooma, on 12 July 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:

what's SSA [sub-Saharan] Ancestry DM?

It means Black African, ancestry which is "sub" the Sahara. Some Africans are Caucasoid. Moroccans and Tunisians are two examples. Their forebears evolved in regions above the famous desert (to make a long story short).

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:44 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 12 July 2013 - 03:21 AM, said:

Let's say that Trayvon Martin was of European and Latin American descent. Let's say that George Zimmerman has completely SSA ancestry. What would the media coverage be like? Would the story even be a blip on the network news radar screens?

Imo no it would not even register. I see riots in the streets.

They will lessen the charge from 2nd dergree murder to manslaughter and look out.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:07 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 12 July 2013 - 03:21 AM, said:

Let's say that Trayvon Martin was of European and Latin American descent. Let's say that George Zimmerman has completely SSA ancestry. What would the media coverage be like? Would the story even be a blip on the network news radar screens?

Race isn't the only issue making the case controversial, it's a factor...

If we did a full switch of the circumstances, including the weapon, the tea etc. etc. People would still be highly ticked off that a full grown man would shoot an unarmed teen. Maybe not the outrage we have seen, but there would still be a problem.

As for the race card, both parties were equally wrong. I don't support how either person viewed people of other races.

Zimmerman obviously had an issue with black people, and Martin obviously had an issue with white people. Quite frankly it bothers me to see that we are this far along and still seeing racial discrimination. I'm not for discrimination based on gender, culture, religion, ethnicity or any other sort. This is all ridiculous, and highly idiotic. We all live in the same world, and we all have to coexist, so screw the discrimination and treat each other with respect.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:09 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 12 July 2013 - 03:44 AM, said:

Imo no it would not even register. I see riots in the streets.

They will lessen the charge from 2nd dergree murder to manslaughter and look out.
Maybe, but I think any conviction may be enough to stop the worst of the violence.  Only a full acquittal would result in cities burning.  Just my opinion.  As to the race angle - if no black was involved OR if the trigger man had been black, the whole event would never have gotten any traction at all.  It's a sickening double standard.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:09 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 12 July 2013 - 03:44 AM, said:

Imo no it would not even register. I see riots in the streets.

They will lessen the charge from 2nd dergree murder to manslaughter and look out.

Florida could have charged Zimmerman with manslaughter, and he possibly would have been convicted. Negligent homicide might have been another possibility. The second-degree murder charge was self-defeating and unwise, and the prosecution should have known better than to shoot for the moon like they did. By the way, I doubt that there will be huge, widespread riots if GZ is found to be not guilty. Americans, of all races and viewpoints, don't condone senseless acts of vandalism and violence. There might be a few isolated cases scattered around the country, but they'll pale in comparison to past riots. You'll probably see several clips of flash mobs on You Tube, if anything. Of course, the media will hype things as much as possible.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:10 AM

View PostxFelix, on 12 July 2013 - 04:07 AM, said:

Race isn't the only issue making the case controversial, it's a factor...

If we did a full switch of the circumstances, including the weapon, the tea etc. etc. People would still be highly ticked off that a full grown man would shoot an unarmed teen. Maybe not the outrage we have seen, but there would still be a problem.

As for the race card, both parties were equally wrong. I don't support how either person viewed people of other races.
INDIVIDUALS might be as upset but the media would not have swarmed and given the low info types a spectacle to become enraged over.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:12 AM

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Florida could have charged Zimmerman with manslaughter, and he possibly would have been convicted. Negligent homicide might have been another possibility. The second-degree murder charge was self-defeating and unwise, and the prosecution should have known better than to shoot for the moon like they did. By the way, I doubt that there will be huge, widespread riots if GZ is found to be not guilty. Americans, of all races and viewpoints, don't condone senseless acts of vandalism and violence. There might be a few isolated cases scattered around the country, but they'll pale in comparison to past riots. You'll probably see several clips of flash mobs on You Tube, if anything. Of course, the media will hype things as much as possible.
Apparently the prosecution gets a couple of bites at the apple here.  They go for the life sentence but can fall back to the 30 year deal if need be.  I'm glad I don't live in the state.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:13 AM

View PostxFelix, on 12 July 2013 - 04:07 AM, said:

Race isn't the only issue making the case controversial, it's a factor...

If we did a full switch of the circumstances, including the weapon, the tea etc. etc. People would still be highly ticked off that a full grown man would shoot an unarmed teen. Maybe not the outrage we have seen, but there would still be a problem.

As for the race card, both parties were equally wrong. I don't support how either person viewed people of other races.

I agree that race isn't the only factor. It was made to be the primary one by the dishonest elements of the media, though, as they had an agenda and narrative to continue. It was quite transparent, but it certainly was not surprising. All of that said, they likely would have ignored it if the ethnicities were reversed.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:14 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 12 July 2013 - 04:09 AM, said:



Florida could have charged Zimmerman with manslaughter, and he possibly would have been convicted. Negligent homicide might have been another possibility. The second-degree murder charge was self-defeating and unwise, and the prosecution should have known better than to shoot for the moon like they did. By the way, I doubt that there will be huge, widespread riots if GZ is found to be not guilty. Americans, of all races and viewpoints, don't condone senseless acts of vandalism and violence. There might be a few isolated cases scattered around the country, but they'll pale in comparison to past riots. You'll probably see several clips of flash mobs on You Tube, if anything. Of course, the media will hype things as much as possible.


Maybe so however in most cases of possible peaceful protest rallies or riots provacateurs are used for agenda.  The media are great at it.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:18 AM

View Postand then, on 12 July 2013 - 04:09 AM, said:

Maybe, but I think any conviction may be enough to stop the worst of the violence.  Only a full acquittal would result in cities burning.  Just my opinion.  As to the race angle - if no black was involved OR if the trigger man had been black, the whole event would never have gotten any traction at all.  It's a sickening double standard.

Of course, there are double standards and hypocrisy. Look at the Duke case (did Nancy Grace ever apologize for her false accusations?). Watch "Dr. Drew" with a barf bag at the ready. Despite the best efforts of such agitators, I doubt that there will be many riots.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:20 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 12 July 2013 - 04:13 AM, said:

I agree that race isn't the only factor. It was made to be the primary one by the dishonest elements of the media, though, as they had an agenda and narrative to continue. It was quite transparent, but it certainly was not surprising. All of that said, they likely would have ignored it if the ethnicities were reversed.
Not really, there are plenty more cases that get hyped up and large reactions that are not based around ethnicity, but by adults abusing minors.. As for what they're trying him for, I believe it to be fair to be tried for what the law says he did.. I just feel that the prosecution has let us down yet again. Their performance was quite pathetic imo. I believe that when someone is charged with murder the prosecution has to bring the heat, we are talking about a person's life after all... But the prosecution seemed lacking.

Edited by xFelix, 12 July 2013 - 04:21 AM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:24 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 12 July 2013 - 04:18 AM, said:

Of course, there are double standards and hypocrisy. Look at the Duke case (did Nancy Grace ever apologize for her false accusations?). Watch "Dr. Drew" with a barf bag at the ready. Despite the best efforts of such agitators, I doubt that there will be many riots.

I'm not saying that Grace and Pinsky are hoping for riots. They exploit tragic events for ratings, though. If celebrities, gender, race, etc. are involved, so much the better for cable news talking heads. They'll be sure to give their preordained opinions, facts be damned.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:27 AM

View PostxFelix, on 12 July 2013 - 04:20 AM, said:

Not really, there are plenty more cases that get hyped up and large reactions that are not based around ethnicity, but by adults abusing minors.. As for what they're trying him for, I believe it to be fair to be tried for what the law says he did.. I just feel that the prosecution has let us down yet again. Their performance was quite pathetic imo. I believe that when someone is charged with murder the prosecution has to bring the heat, we are talking about a person's life after all... But the prosecution seemed lacking.

They hype all kinds of stories, especially ones that involve sex. Look at the Arias case. However, the coverage and reporting would be nil if a crime was Black-on-Black or Black-on-White. I have no doubt about it.

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