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#46    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:31 PM

Here is on more link

http://memory.loc.go...g7800 ct001372r))

Place names in Arabic. Chinese in two columns, on right side of map. Text in Venetian Italian.

Further description of map appeared in article: Bagrow, Leo, 1948. The maps from the home archives of the descendants of a friend of Marco Polo. Imago Mundi, vol. V.


I dont know why link wont work. After you click on it add in tab two )) and then press enter.

Edited by the L, 08 February 2013 - 08:37 PM.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

Suddenly conversation cooled.
Harte I wait for your post. Dont be like Questionmark. :st

Edited by the L, 08 February 2013 - 08:56 PM.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:07 PM

View PostLava_Lady, on 08 February 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

Inuit writer Rachel Attituq Qitsualik:

“The Inuit cosmos is ruled by no one. There are no divine mother and father figures. There are no wind gods and solar creators. There are no eternal punishments in the hereafter, as there are no punishments for children or adults in the here and now.“




" Eskimo belive that animals as humans have souls. By killing animal or human is almost same. Spirit of killed person animal could hunt you down. Who know what those people think in freezing thriller when they saw  aurora borealis or northern lights, some might think thats their pass away family members some thats gods, spirits, giants ..."


http://en.wikipedia....Inuit_mythology

Ofcourse they have had belives and myths. But they were different from others myths. First quote I found interesting.

Edited by the L, 08 February 2013 - 10:14 PM.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:56 PM

View Postthe L, on 08 February 2013 - 08:14 PM, said:

Where did I insulted her?

On which you want proof? I claimed many things in this thread. Quote me. Its button under each my post and it said on it "Quote"
I dont have issuses.

All of it.

Your opening quote is in conflict with much of what you wrote.

And the insult, post #20 "I doubt that Theresa Lee Clark will ever show up because obviously she realized that there is no misconceptions here."

It sounds very arrogant.

What's obvious is that you can't know a culture until you've immersed yourself in it.  Researching online only is not complete.  What you have is interesting information, but choppy and needs backing up.  Especially if you're called on it and you are being called on it several times.

I hope Theresa Lee Clark comes back so we can all learn the discrepancies.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:48 AM

Hi Searcher,
Good to see you back. I think that in part it has always been a political issue, the Inuit people did not have any representatives present when the treaties were signed.When it became more financially viable for gov't and industry to develop the resources,and of course the military and NORAD. When it came time to negotiate a treaty with the Inuit people that the gov't (and we know how frugal they are,haha)felt  it would affect the treaties that had been originally signed with the Aboriginal people,so they were given a classification that isolated them as a distinct and different culture.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:39 AM

View Postthe L, on 08 February 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Here is on more link

http://memory.loc.go...g7800 ct001372r))

Place names in Arabic. Chinese in two columns, on right side of map. Text in Venetian Italian.

Further description of map appeared in article: Bagrow, Leo, 1948. The maps from the home archives of the descendants of a friend of Marco Polo. Imago Mundi, vol. V.


I dont know why link wont work. After you click on it add in tab two )) and then press enter.


But it also says on the Library of Cogress website

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[Map of the Far East and adjacent Pacific].

OTHER TITLES
Map known as: Map-with-ship
CREATED/PUBLISHED
[129-?]
NOTES
The map, in its ornamental frame, occupies the right side of the sheet. Drawing of a ship and an eight-line explanation of Roman numerals on left side of the sheet.
Place names in Arabic. Chinese in two columns, on right side of map. Text in Venetian Italian.
Undetermined authenticity.
Provenance unverified.
Pen-and-ink.
Further description of map appeared in article: Bagrow, Leo, 1948. The maps from the home archives of the descendants of a friend of Marco Polo. Imago Mundi, vol. V.
Includes key to identifying countries and regions designated by Roman numerals.
Translation of the explanation of Roman numerals: Marco Polo. I. India and the adjacent islands, according to what the Saracens say. II. Cattigara of Tartary, island of Zipangu and adjacent islands. III. Peninsula of the Sea Lions. IV. Islands connected with the Peninsula of the Deer situated 2 to 4 hours of difference from the walled provinces of Tartary.
Given to the Library of Congress in 1935 by Mr. Marcian F. Rossi, a retired merchant, who considered himself a descendant of a friend of Marco Polo.
Scale not given.


I doubt that this map is authentically connected to Marco Polo.
When there are no maps created by marco polo himself available, how and why is a map purported to be created by a "friend" of marco polo be available.

From an analysis of the "map with Ship' by John W. Hessler, a noted Catrographer,

http://warpinghistor...gicalandco.html

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The motivation for this investigation stems from the problem of trying to identify the possible sources and the overall chronological similarity of the Rossi “Map With Ship” to other maps that may be contemporary with it. The history and origin of “Map With Ship” has been a problem for historians of cartography almost since its discovery and it has never been adequately studied from an analytic perspective. A recent C-14 dating of the vellum yielded two age distributions both after 1475.The map purportedly shows the coast of Asia, including Japan, and the coast of North America in the area of Alaska and the Aleutian Islands. Scholars have drawn attention to the fact that the strait shown on the map is depicted in a form that recalls several European maps of the region from the late sixteenth century and later. In particular the maps of Zaltieri of 1566 and that of Forlani of 1574 have been discussed in recent studie1].

Any ideas, Mr. L??

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:08 AM

View PostLava_Lady, on 08 February 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

All of it.
Dear Lava Lady, its hard to give refrences to all I wrote in this thread. But what I offer to you, again, is that you quote me and I will find you source of my claim.

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Your opening quote is in conflict with much of what you wrote.

I open with it because I like the quote. It set you up into place much different then urban environment with punishment and reward system.
Also it explain what wiki say about that quote in the link I provided.


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And the insult, post #20 "I doubt that Theresa Lee Clark will ever show up because obviously she realized that there is no misconceptions here."

It sounds very arrogant.

Thats interesting because they you can ask yourself this: Is it arognat to say that there is many misconceptions here and run and never show up to explain what you mean?
Thats tactic called hit and run. Very similar to trolling or spamming as others so called sceptics have been demonstrated in this thread.


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What's obvious is that you can't know a culture until you've immersed yourself in it.  Researching online only is not complete.  What you have is interesting information, but choppy and needs backing up.  Especially if you're called on it and you are being called on it several times.

I hope Theresa Lee Clark comes back so we can all learn the discrepancies.

I also hope Theresa will show up and explain what she meant. Any info you want to want know source give me quote I will give you source,

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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:11 AM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 09 February 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:



Any ideas, Mr. L??

Rightnow...No I dont.

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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 09:16 PM

View PostHarte, on 08 February 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

And left me wondering how you managed to find this respect in the first place.

L, Jaylemurph is an historian.  In the real sense, though he's only highly schooled in a specific area of history, IIRC.

You, on the other hand, continually exhibit to anyone that cares to look that you are completely innocent of any real knowledge of history.

It was a real joke when you said what you said about Jaylemurph.  My advice is that you might want to pre-emptively apologize, as Jaylemurph has one of the most barbed tounges and savage wits on this forum.

Harte

I'm beginning to suspect this may be a matter of faulty translation, hinging on the use of the term 'science' in different languages, but since I don't speak any Slavic langauges, I can't really say. I really like that someone said history was a methodology. I was trying to get there, but whatever knowledgable person said it beat me to the punch.

We can't be too hard on the L, though. (Well, except maybe for the implied homophobia in his 'couple' comment above. That sort of thing is just rude.)

See, anyone who has spent any time around Bassets -- or even any other type of hound, for that matter -- knows their most endearing and frustrating characteristic is the same sort of stubborness the L exhibits. I say, rather than make him feel this is an undesirable chatacteristic, and anti-productive for intelligent discussion we all aspire here to,  this is a sign of special favour in him bestowed on him by our Past Basset Masters for latching on to their deep and mysterious truths. He has been anointed, baptized even, and that is to say marked, by the Past Basset Masters as their own territory, in their tripod, canine way.

And as any would do -- hound or man -- having found a joyous amound of truth, he rolls all over in it, that he may be covered with it, and come back to us redolent of that truth, the better for us to enjoy it ourselves.

I imagine there will be a high place for L upon their glorious, drooling return.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 09:20 PM

View Postjaylemurph, on 09 February 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

...

You implied that you are ignorant. In third thread in row.If you want I can provide you more info.
Also if one shouldnt talk about manners that is you Jay.

Edit: my advice to you is to stop digging your hole because you getting deeper and deeper.

Edited by the L, 09 February 2013 - 09:23 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 09:37 PM

View Postthe L, on 09 February 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

Rightnow...No I dont.

If you don't have any ideas on the credibility of a document that you are claiming to be proof that  the old world knew of Alaska and all, then don't whip it further.
Try to take everything with  a pinch of salt.
and from your posts on UM, you would eat anything and everything without any salt at all.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:41 PM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 09 February 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

If you don't have any ideas on the credibility of a document that you are claiming to be proof that  the old world knew of Alaska and all, then don't whip it further.
Try to take everything with  a pinch of salt.
and from your posts on UM, you would eat anything and everything without any salt at all.

No you get it all wrong. I did have ideas. Theories about map. You brought up some new info. Because of that I said: Right now I dont. (have nothing to say)
Because your link needs to be check for credibilty. Then what is claim in it. I want to search more about those study and so on.
Maybe if its true it doesnt mean it have nothing with Venetian republic.

Also if is total hoax lets see what I said about Polos map:

Also what I find interesting is fact that when Venetian Marco Polo came in China he got , now already famous, Map with a boat which have drawn Alaska on it. And its known fact that Colombus was influenced by Polo.....So could it be that knowledge of America traveled  from Yupik trough Siberian people to Manchu then to Maro Polo. I realy see why not. Even if Polos map of America isnt what it seems to be then again knowledge about America most probably traveled to China trough Siberia.


I think that tells more about your above post and you and your spicies.

Edited by the L, 09 February 2013 - 10:42 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:45 PM

View Postthe L, on 09 February 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

You implied that you are ignorant. In third thread in row.If you want I can provide you more info.
Also if one shouldnt talk about manners that is you Jay.

Edit: my advice to you is to stop digging your hole because you getting deeper and deeper.

Gosh, I don't mean to /imply/ I'm ignorant. Allow me to state in bold, unequivical terms: I am ignorant. At times, dreadfully, painfully ignorant. Fee free to quote me on this at your leisure.

I can's speak a word of Chinese. Linear algebra is a mystery to me. Virtually all of biology is unknown to me. I haven't read the entirety of the Fletcher and Beaumont first folio. I haven't even read the most recent BBC book about Doctor Who. In my defense, though, I don't often mistake that ignorance for anything else. I can't think of a time when I've corrected someone else's Cantonese, advanced mathematics, biology. And while I have corrected others' statements about Beaumont and Fletcher, it's been with a solid knowledge of 17th Century dramatic literature and stage practivce.

(So, umm, verb. sap. and what not. And if you can't be bothered to know what you're talking about, at least -- please -- be amusing about it. Taking yourself so seriously is a bit tiresome...)

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:54 PM

Jay,

my couple comment have nothing with homosexuals. I see Darwin and Mendel as perfect couple.



Many people can see same thing but acutally all could interpert differently.

For example. Lets say that 5 people saw a dog.
First will instantly think on family member.
Second will think monster.
Third will think dog.
Fourth will think food.
Fifth will think love.

People interpert differently. It depends on human history, expirience, education and background. :tu:

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:09 AM

Question is how did you conclude that I imply on homosexual couple?
Due your personal histroy or education? Or expirience?

Edited by the L, 10 February 2013 - 12:15 AM.

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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."




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