SNP puts second referendum at top of agenda

[Still Waters]

Nicola Sturgeon today put getting popular support for a second independence referendum at the top of her political agenda as she succeeded Alex Salmond as SNP leader.

After her coronation as leader was confirmed at the party's autumn conference, she said her top priorities would be campaigning for separation and winning next year's general election in Scotland.

http://www.telegraph...-of-agenda.html

[stevewinn]

well its no surprise, after all its why the party exists. But it does Scotland no good if they are continually holding referenda after referenda. The Scots will be moaning about the lack of investment in Scotland, not by Government but business. the majority of companies choose Britain thanks to its stability and the easy of which to do business. Its stability and predictability that firms love, allows them to plan years into the future. If Scotland continues with referendum after referendum. this stability and predictability is lost. Whose going to invest in Scotland? especially big manufacturing companies. We had a snapshot in the last referendum on the stance of big companies.

Its clear to me while the SNP have a majority in Scotland investment will go down, thanks to the uncertainty. But this i guess will work for the SNP, they'll portray themselves and Scotland as down trodden.

[Setton]

Christ it's like kid who loses a game then makes it best of 3. You lost, SNP. Accept it and move on.

[stevewinn]

Its clear from Nicola Sturgeons speech, this Referendum debate isn't over. The SNP are bringing instability to Scotland. - in the campaign it was said if Scotland voted YES, then jobs building Warships would be lost because the UK has to retain the sovereign capability to build its own warships. in the referendum which the SNP lost to the NO vote - The go ahead for the ships to be built in Scotland is progressing. but this included building a purpose built dockhall, so a long term investment in Scotland and associated jobs. - With the SNP bringing instability for the future, im not sure we should be investing in the infrastructure to build warships in Scotland. because we cannot be certain that Scotland will remain part of the UK, in the next 15 to 20 years. So, maybe the best option is to re-open shipyards in England and Northern Ireland. invest the money there in long term infrastructure and jobs. this also has the bonus of breaking BAE systems stranglehold on the Defence procurement.

But its not just this example above, big multinational firms are not going to invest in Scotland for the same reasons. It'll be telling in the coming years if investment in Scotland reduces as firms try to limit their exposures to the SNP's plans.

[Shayde]

Christ it's like kid who loses a game then makes it best of 3. You lost, SNP. Accept it and move on.

As one who indeed voted in the referendum, all I can add is a simple statement:

You Lost! Get it? YOU DAMN WELL FLAMING LOST! YOU SODDING HALFWITS!!!!!

And no matter how many times the likes of the SNP and their brainless supporters claim otherwise (In particular I do enjoy the fact that whenever they do mention the vote, they harp on about the "brave 45%" who said yes, but seem to forget to mention the 55% who said no. That's the 55% MAJORITY just in case you missed it!) they in fact LOST. Only three districts voted yes, and yes, one of them was the biggest authority Glasgow, in which we had at least ten confirmed attempts at voter fraud by what appeared to be the Yes camp.

This is the SNP in a nutshell. "WAAHHH!!! You aren't playing properly, so I'm taking my ball away!" It's like the 45% yes voters. They have actually made reference to how this group are like the Jacobites of the old '45, true Scots who faced unfair odds. Crap. And even to use that comparison is a bit silly, as what happened to the 1745 rebellion and those brave fighters? They got their backsides handed to them!

Edited November 16, 2014 by Shayde

[keithisco]

Having excluded Scots Nationals living South of the border from voting in the last referendum (probably because they would see the benefits of a United Kingdom), I wonder who the SNP will exclude next time around ?

Edited November 17, 2014 by keithisco

[Ealdwita]

Sturgeon? Salmond? ...All seems a bit fishy to me.

[SHaYap]

Sturgeon? Salmond? ...All seems a bit fishy to me.

Class ... Sir eald ~ real class ~

~ time to bring out the clan kilts again I guess ~

[Border Collie]

Keep on asking till you get the right answer?

Not right.

[keithisco]

Keep on asking till you get the right answer?

Not right.

Yep... the Neverendum!

[Rand0m_UMer_]

I saw a lot of "vote rigging" YouTube videos about this referendum appearing to show yes votes being either thrown away or counted as no votes.

Can someone from the UK confirm or deny these allegations?

[Shayde]

Yep... the Neverendum!

Aye, this was the "threat" some commentators warned about. Though that was mostly to do with if the result had been too close and could be questioned by both sides, one or the other would demand another vote, then another and so forth. But as we can see, the nationalists are so convinced that in fact they still got some odd form of a majority they want another vote just to make sure. Halfwits...

I saw a lot of "vote rigging" YouTube videos about this referendum appearing to show yes votes being either thrown away or counted as no votes.

Can someone from the UK confirm or deny these allegations?

Most of the videos showing vote rigging were debunked within a few days of the referendum, though of course that's if you believe official sources! As mentioned above, there was at least ten cases of voter fraud that's still being looked at by the police in Glasgow. As yet no outcome from that, but it was hinted that it was person or persons trying to get more votes in for the yes side. Whether this is true though not confirmed, but since the yes lot aren't mentioning it in any of their cries for another vote, we're assuming that's the case!

As to the videos and some of the claims, well, a couple of the clips showing tables for no votes piled up with yes votes was taken from when the votes had been delievered for counting, indeed on a few clips taken from Sky coverage, it's worth noting that the clock at the corner of the screen is missing, so the viewer is unable to know the time the clip comes from. Put it this way. If the clip comes from before 0030 hours, this is when ballots were being brought into the counting centres.

One clip showing I think it was two women putting bundles of votes into ballot boxes is claimed to be from the day before, with the two in question putting blank ballots in boxes for transport, the boxes themselves not actual ballot boxes.

As to the claim independent verifiers weren't on site, that is false. Aside from the official count staff, the various counters from each camp, and the assorted types that show up at a vote, observers were at each count.

But all of what I said is up to others to believe or not. Trust me, there's a lot who don't believe they lost the bloody vote, because of:

Vote rigging (on both sides)

Traitors to the country.

The old (Who are too set in their ways to vote properly)

The young (Who are too stupid to vote properly)

And generally being a bit daft!

[Space Commander Travis]

Still, i suppose like Ukip, their entire philosophy is based on just one idea- freedom from the oppressors- that they don't really have any other ideas about what else they could do.

[bee]

The SNP are bringing instability to Scotland.

and by logical extension...instability to Britain as a whole...?

Sturgeon? Salmond? ...All seems a bit fishy to me.

yeah ....a load of codswallop

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[Border Collie]

Yep... the Neverendum!

Like it!