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#31    danielost

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:47 PM

View Postwimfloppp, on 25 February 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

they should feed their own people first

Why the US is.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:51 PM

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India knows the answer to these questions, it is just sad that so many people from the supposedly better educated west can't see past their prejudices and appreciate what India is trying to achieve.

The supposedly better educated west are the ones who have given them the money, and yet they still want more aid!!! but one thing i will say, it is the stupidity of our western leaders who give them OUR money, they should have made sure it was going to were it was intended....to the starving people, NOT to build spacecrafts.

I will fully agree with what you have put here "India knows the answer to these questions"....yes they do for sure, and do not give a damn about the poor and starving people.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:54 PM

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Why the US is.
No they are not, like the UK they are giving them money and there are still poor and starving people, so again, the money has not gone to feed them! Its gone to build spacecraft so the rich can become even richer and they do not give a damn about the poor people.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:54 PM

I have to wonder where some of the people who posted above have been the last fifty or so years.  India is no longer a basket case.  It has made major progress and its middle class now outnumbers that of the US.  Yes it has poverty, all countries have poverty.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:59 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 25 February 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

I have to wonder where some of the people who posted above have been the last fifty or so years.  India is no longer a basket case.  It has made major progress and its middle class now outnumbers that of the US.  Yes it has poverty, all countries have poverty.

Yes, all countries do. Sickening really.
Here in England we still have adverts asking for aid to India, this is the reason why some of us are so against what we see here. There are many rich people in India, they do not care about the poor or starving but they are willing to take aid of other countries. The aid is for the starving, not for the rich to get richer!

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:28 PM

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Yes, all countries do. Sickening really.

there are many rich people in India, they do not care about the poor or starving

Why should they? Unless it directly benefits one self and their fitness, there is no biological reason for them to do so.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:32 PM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 25 February 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

Why should they? Unless it directly benefits one self and their fitness, there is no biological reason for them to do so.

You are absolutely right, why should they?
But if they do not want to help their own people its best not ask others for aid saying its going to help them.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:50 PM

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Yes, all countries do. Sickening really.
Here in England we still have adverts asking for aid to India, this is the reason why some of us are so against what we see here. There are many rich people in India, they do not care about the poor or starving but they are willing to take aid of other countries. The aid is for the starving, not for the rich to get richer!
Its in the nature of the rich to get richer; that is often why they are rich.  I live in a socialist country and believe me there are rich people here too, in spite of the fact that it isn't suppose to be able to happen with our particular economic system.  In the end it is allowed because taking away their money actually does the nation harm and generally does little to help the poor and even makes them poorer.

Things like a space program are generally undertaken by countries like India for very practical reasons -- to control their own communications, their own weather and other surveillance and mapping, and so on.  Sending a rocket with a payload to Mars is not much in such a budget and serves national pride as much as winning the World Cup (and probably would cost less than fielding the team).

There are always the poor -- isn't that what Jesus said -- and anointing his feet was as worthy.  The point I take from this is that one can do only so much for the poor and then it becomes a waste of money and indeed an entrapment keeping them in poverty.

I suspect the campaigns for aid to the poor of India are organized charities with well paid staffs.  They do some good in the process of making themselves nice careers.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:52 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 25 February 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

Its in the nature of the rich to get richer; that is often why they are rich.  I live in a socialist country and believe me there are rich people here too, in spite of the fact that it isn't suppose to be able to happen with our particular economic system.  In the end it is allowed because taking away their money actually does the nation harm and generally does little to help the poor and even makes them poorer.

Things like a space program are generally undertaken by countries like India for very practical reasons -- to control their own communications, their own weather and other surveillance and mapping, and so on.  Sending a rocket with a payload to Mars is not much in such a budget and serves national pride as much as winning the World Cup (and probably would cost less than fielding the team).

There are always the poor -- isn't that what Jesus said -- and anointing his feet was as worthy.  The point I take from this is that one can do only so much for the poor and then it becomes a waste of money and indeed an entrapment keeping them in poverty.

I suspect the campaigns for aid to the poor of India are organized charities with well paid staffs.  They do some good in the process of making themselves nice careers.

I understand that.
Thats great then. Lets see what happens in years to come and see if all these poor villages have had the benefit of it.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 25 February 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

I have to wonder where some of the people who posted above have been the last fifty or so years.  India is no longer a basket case.  It has made major progress and its middle class now outnumbers that of the US.  Yes it has poverty, all countries have poverty.

First the U.S., gives money to almost every country on the planet.

Second, generally speaking the poor in the U.S. are richer than the middle class of those countries.

Third, India hs a much larger population than the USA.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:44 AM

funny all the people saying that its a waste of time and money. It definately is not. Space is where the future of humanity lies, wether you believe it or not, we will be colonizing other planets one day within the next few centuries (providing we dont wipe ourselves out).
Obviously this will take time to happen, so therefore you need to act on this stuff early in preparation for the future.

yes india has social problems, but so do the good ol' US of A. If you think the US is a perfect country then you are blind. They have poverty, crime and uneducated people there to. At least India are looking towards their future.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:48 AM

View Postfreetoroam, on 25 February 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

There are many rich people in India, they do not care about the poor or starving but they are willing to take aid of other countries.

Capatilism at its finest eh? Blame the west for trying to turn every country in a capatilistic nation that only cares about money.
But be honest here, yes some of the rich are greedy and only bettering themselves, but that also happens even in the west countries.

Both India and China have come a long way in the past few centuries and they will continue to grow. You can expect countries to go from extreme poverty to a becoming prosperous and free without some time for people to adjust.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:14 PM

View Postuprize, on 02 March 2013 - 06:48 AM, said:

Capatilism at its finest eh? Blame the west for trying to turn every country in a capatilistic nation that only cares about money.
But be honest here, yes some of the rich are greedy and only bettering themselves, but that also happens even in the west countries.

Both India and China have come a long way in the past few centuries and they will continue to grow. You can expect countries to go from extreme poverty to a becoming prosperous and free without some time for people to adjust.

China got there long before India.
I am in agreement that other countries do it, I also agree that the the western elites only care about money making money out of these countries, but they are also getting rich themselves out of it....some of them are!! That is my point!!!!
I am not on the side of the elite westerners just as i am not on the side of the fat cat Indians making a mint out of it for themselves.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 04:45 PM

Kudos for India sending a probe to mars, that will boost India tech sector and creating more jobs not mentioning science. Far more useful than buying a cheese burger to the poor ;-)

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