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Poll: Do(does) God(s) exist (20 member(s) have cast votes)

Chose an answer(expect critisism)

  1. one almighty god (jews) (7 votes [35.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.00%

  2. more then one semi almighty gods (Hindus) (1 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  3. more then one with a king god (Greek) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. one god with a demi god (cristians) (3 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  5. "one supreme being" (not god but creator) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. no god what so ever (athiest) (4 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  7. don't know (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. don't care (some cults) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. other (5 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  10. thir aliens (most cults) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

if you choose there is a god or supreme being (any) chose one

  1. bunch of good gods (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. bunch of evil gods (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. one good god (8 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  4. one evil god (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. other (8 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  6. bored god or gods (1 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  7. evil and good god (2 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  8. evil Surprem being(SB) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. good SB (1 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  10. Mixed SB (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

if you chose a good or evil, why

  1. The worlds to cruel to have a good god (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. we would all be dead by now with and evil god (1 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  3. the evil gods are fighting and leave us alone (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. the good gods are arguring about who will fix the world (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. he/they think the world has destoyed its-self (2 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  6. he/they think it's beyond saveing (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. they place bets on wars (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. they don't care at all about us (1 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  9. think i'm going to far with this (3 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  10. other (13 votes [65.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.00%

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#16    RH2097

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 04:45 PM

All three I picked other.
First off, I don't believe in any religion or cult you posted in your poll.  I believe there is more than one deity, I believe them to be a mixture of good and evil, not just one set.  Just as on Earth with humanity, all cannot be good and all cannot be bad.  There needs to be a balance in the middle.

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 06:47 PM

I also believe good cannot exist without evil. If there's no evil, how do we know what is good? =P

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 07:23 PM

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so much that we cannot place God before existence?
Other 1)Existence, before God.
Other 2)God, before Existence.

Well if God created existence it's feasible that he was present before existence.
If God is omnipotent, then he has to be evil as well as good. How could God know evil and create evil if he was not partially evil himself?

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 07:43 PM

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Well if God created existence it's feasible that he was present before existence.
If God is omnipotent, then he has to be evil as well as good. How could God know evil and create evil if he was not partially evil himself?

Good point Yelekiah. I believe that a balance must be present in the world between good and evil. This is the nature of duality. Like the swing of the pendulum. These two extremes are known a Zos (consciousness) and Kia (unconsciousness) in many modern occult circles, and this concept was most notably published by the Cult of the Golden Dawn.
In yoga they are known as Ha (sun) and Tha(moon). In Bhudism we have Yin and Yang. Christianity seeks to separate these two forces and avoid evil, but as we can see from history---they can't.


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Posted 12 November 2005 - 07:45 PM

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Well if God created existence it's feasible that he was present before existence.
If God is omnipotent, then he has to be evil as well as good. How could God know evil and create evil if he was not partially evil himself?


Thats a good question. I wouldn't say God is evil, I would believe he is just. He never committed the first sin, Lucifer did, therefore, God is not evil, he has never sinned, he is always justified. Lucifer / Satan was sent to Hell for his sins, this not being evil, but a punishment for being the Father of evil. God created Lucifer, more then likely knowing of his actions, but Lucifer still had the choice, and he chose his fate. God did not force him to do evil, as he does not force us to sin as well.

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 09:58 PM

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In Bhudism we have Yin and Yang.

Correct. Black and white are representative of duality. What most people miss in the yin and yang, is that there is a white dot in the black portion, and a black dot in the white. Dualities within dualities.

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God created Lucifer, more then likely knowing of his actions, but Lucifer still had the choice, and he chose his fate. God did not force him to do evil, as he does not force us to sin as well.

Correct, but God does create evil by his own admission. Apparently not everyone has free will.
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(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

I think God has to have all the qualities in order to create it. Because what God does, is learn of himself, since he was the only one from the beginning. Therefore, he has to have some sort of evil quality.

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 10:28 PM

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 10:29 PM

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Correct. Black and white are representative of duality. What most people miss in the yin and yang, is that there is a white dot in the black portion, and a black dot in the white. Dualities within dualities.
Correct, but God does create evil by his own admission. Apparently not everyone has free will.
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(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

I think God has to have all the qualities in order to create it. Because what God does, is learn of himself, since he was the only one from the beginning. Therefore, he has to have some sort of evil quality.


I would assume God knows of evil, but I do not see God as being evil. Much like how I know of Egyptian Religion, but I do not follow it. God created everything that we know of, including the Prince of Darkness, so I would assume he has a vast understanding of what it is. Quite simply put, to dis-obey God is evil, so it's simple for him to justify good and bad. God punishes, he does not perform evil actions. It's almost a loop argument, because he did create lucifer, which gave birth to sin and dis-obey, which therefore created evil. So to say God created evil, Im sure he had a minor part. Metaphorically, it's like a car manufactuer saying they caused the accident, they created the car, that caused the accident, but are they held for the blame ?, no.

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 10:31 PM

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 11:04 PM

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So to say God created evil, Im sure he had a minor part.

According to the quote in Isaiah, God does directly create evil.
You create based on what you know. So it has to be a part of you, in my opinion.
And thank you, I AAAM for your intelligent response.

Edited by Yelekiah, 12 November 2005 - 11:10 PM.

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Posted 13 November 2005 - 12:12 AM

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According to the quote in Isaiah, God does directly create evil.
You create based on what you know. So it has to be a part of you, in my opinion.
And thank you, I AAAM for your intelligent response.


I agree, and it's a tough quote from Isaiah. Perhaps he is talking about his creation of evil through Lucifer, or perhaps he is indicating he can in fact create evil, and is saying this as proof of his ultimate power. God would obviously know a fair bit about evil, hence why he made his commandments, he wanted us all to be good. His creation of Lucifer will never fully be justified. Whether he made him as a trial for all of us, to seperate the good or the bad, or whether it truly is a power struggle, a bet between 2 powerful beings, treating us all as chess peices, just to see who has the most influence.

In the end, I do agree Yelekiah, that God must of had a vast knowledge of evil, but why he created it in Lucifer is beyond me.

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Posted 13 November 2005 - 12:16 AM

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God would obviously know a fair bit about evil, hence why he made his commandments
In the end, I do agree Yelekiah, that God must of had a vast knowledge of evil, but why he created it in Lucifer is beyond me.

You have a good point.

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Posted 13 November 2005 - 12:17 AM

Voted "Other" for all 3.

Everything influences me. Regardless of whether or not I recognize the particular influence(s), undoubtedly to some certain degree All Things have had, currently have, and will always have affect/effect upon me. (All Things, to me, means the culmination of that which comprises life, death, [G-d], the Universe, Nature, consciousness, dreams, imaginations, History, fiction, the Known and the Unknown, etc.,--”all things.”) To deny this would be absurd. I am as you are as everyone is, the result of every movement, every choice, every idea, every chemical reaction--All Things--that have occurred leading up to this very moment. And it doesn’t stop here, now; to the contrary, I am changing, redefining, reinventing, re-identifying myself as I write this.
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