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#1    Silver Surfer

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:32 PM

Hey may have been posted but don't see anything.

Anyway for anyone interested...

http://www.stuff.co....rewrite-history


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:45 PM

It is indeed a mystery. Even the contents of the link is gone.

Other life in the universe?, you dare to imply there are entities possibly far greater than us almighty humans, creators of canned ham and reality tv. Nonsense. Absurd.

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:50 PM

View PostSheep Smart, on 19 May 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

It is indeed a mystery. Even the contents of the link is gone.
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I managed to find it sheepy!

"well we've ruined all the good bits, and cut down all the trees, and dumped the radiation into the deep blue seas.
we've ploughed up so much country just to get from A to B, just to move that little bit faster, in our five-speed luxuries-
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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:52 PM

View Postshrooma, on 19 May 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:


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I managed to find it sheepy!

Do share.

Other life in the universe?, you dare to imply there are entities possibly far greater than us almighty humans, creators of canned ham and reality tv. Nonsense. Absurd.

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:53 PM

Hmm link works fine for me ><


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:53 PM

to be honest though, I think the claim for discovery has to go to the aborigines.
after all, they'd been pottering about around australia for 60,000yrs before anyone else got there.....

"well we've ruined all the good bits, and cut down all the trees, and dumped the radiation into the deep blue seas.
we've ploughed up so much country just to get from A to B, just to move that little bit faster, in our five-speed luxuries-
just to move that little bit closer, to the world on your tv's."
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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:55 PM

View PostSheep Smart, on 19 May 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:



Do share.
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ok sheepy, i'll copy & paste it for you, but I might get into trouble.....

"well we've ruined all the good bits, and cut down all the trees, and dumped the radiation into the deep blue seas.
we've ploughed up so much country just to get from A to B, just to move that little bit faster, in our five-speed luxuries-
just to move that little bit closer, to the world on your tv's."
-Culture Shock-

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 10:00 PM

there you go sheepy!
let me know when you've read it so I can delete it!!
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World
Ancient coins could rewrite
history
BARBARA BARKHAUSEN
Last updated 05:00 20/05/2013
Five copper coins and a nearly 70-
year-old map with an ‘‘X’’ might
lead to a discovery that could
rewrite Australia’s history.
Australian scientist Ian McIntosh,
currently Professor of Anthropology
at Indiana University in the US,
plans an expedition in July that has
stirred up the archaeological
community.
The scientist wants to revisit the
location where five coins were
found in the Northern Territory in
1944 that have proven to be 1000
years old, opening up the possibility
that seafarers from distant
countries might have landed in
Australia much earlier than what
was currently believed.
Back in 1944 during World War II,
after Japanese bombers had
attacked Darwin two years earlier,
the Wessel Islands — an uninhabited
group of islands off Australia’s
north coast — had become a
strategic position to help protect
the mainland.
Australian soldier Maurie Isenberg
was stationed on one of the islands
to man a radar station and spent his
spare time fishing on the idyllic
beaches.
While sitting in the sand with his
fishing-rod, he discovered a handful
of coins in the sand.
He didn’t have a clue where they
could come from but pocketed
them anyway and later placed them
in a tin.
In 1979 he rediscovered his
‘‘treasure’’ and decided to send the
coins to a museum to get them
identified.
The coins proved to be 1000 years
old.
Still not fully realising what treasure
he held in his hands, he marked an
old colleague’s map with an ‘‘X’’ to
remember where he had found
them.
The discovery was apparently
forgotten again until anthropologist
McIntosh got the ball rolling a few
months ago.
The coins raise many important
questions:
How did 1000-year-old coins end
up on a remote beach on an island
off the northern coast of Australia?
Did explorers from distant lands
arrive on Australian shores way
before the James Cook declared it
‘‘terra nullius’’ and claimed it for
the British throne in 1770?
We do know already that Captain
Cook wasn’t the first white seafarer
to step on Australia’s shores.
In 1606 a Dutch explorer named
Willem Janszoon reached the Cape
York peninsula in Queensland,
closely followed a few years late by
another Dutch seafarer Dirk Hartog.
And the Spaniard Luiz Vaez de
Torres discovered the strait between
Papua New Guinea and Australia,
which was later named Torres Strait
in his honour.
However, none of these explorers
recognised that they had discovered
the famed southern continent, the
‘‘terra australis incognita‘‘, which
was depicted as a counterweight to
the known land masses of the
northern hemisphere on many world
maps of the day.
McIntosh and his team of Australian
and American historians,
archaeologists, geomorphologists
and Aboriginal rangers say that the
five coins date back to the 900s to
1300s.
They are African coins from the
former Kilwa sultanate, now a World
Heritage ruin on an island off
Tanzania.
Kilwa once was a flourishing trade
port with links to India in the 13th
to 16th century.
The trade with gold, silver, pearls,
perfumes, Arabian stoneware,
Persian ceramics and Chinese
porcelain made the city one of the
most influential towns in East Africa
at the time.
The copper coins were the first
coins ever produced in sub-Saharan
Africa and according to McIntosh
have only twice been found outside
Africa; once in Oman and Isenberg’s
find in 1944.
The old coins might not be of
monetary value, but for
archaeologists they are priceless,
said McIntosh.
Archaeologists have long suspected
that there may have been early
maritime trading routes that linked
East Africa, Arabia, India and the
Spice Islands even 1000 years ago.
Or the coins could’ve washed ashore
after a shipwreck.
When Isenberg discovered the
copper coins he also found four
coins that originated from the
Dutch East India Company — with
one dating back to 1690 raising
memories of those early Dutch
seafarers that stepped on Australian
shores well before Cook.
McIntosh wants to answer some of
these mysteries during his planned
expedition to the Wessel Islands in
July.
And it’s not only about revisiting
the beach that was marked with an
‘‘X’’ on Isenberg’s map.
He will also be looking for a secret
cave Aboriginal legends talk about.
This cave is supposed to be close to
the beach where Isenberg once
found the coins and is said to be
filled with doubloons and  weaponry
of an ancient era.
Should McIntosh and his team find
what they are looking for, the find
might not only be priceless
treasure, but relics that could
rewrite Australian history.
- AAP

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 10:26 PM

View Postshrooma, on 19 May 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

to be honest though, I think the claim for discovery has to go to the aborigines.
after all, they'd been pottering about around australia for 60,000yrs before anyone else got there.....

Yep for sure.. tho I'm not interested in the stuff about who can claim what... in my opinion if your born in this universe you should be able to go where ever the hell you want as long as you respect it and other people/species... (and can get there lol) i'm more interested in buried treasure and the story of whoever sailed the seas to get there ^^


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 10:32 PM

On another note... i wish i was a "

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Edited by Silver Surfer, 19 May 2013 - 10:32 PM.


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 11:03 PM

View PostSilver Surfer, on 19 May 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:



Yep for sure.. tho I'm not interested in the stuff about who can claim what... in my opinion if your born in this universe you should be able to go where ever the hell you want as long as you respect it and other people/species... (and can get there lol) i'm more interested in buried treasure and the story of whoever sailed the seas to get there ^^

View PostSilver Surfer, on 19 May 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

On another note... i wish i was a "

Goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaur" right now im just a senile sexual administrator


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he he he he.....
I got the quote from blain in 'predator'
(the wielder of 'ol painless', the best BFG in any movie ever!!)
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"well we've ruined all the good bits, and cut down all the trees, and dumped the radiation into the deep blue seas.
we've ploughed up so much country just to get from A to B, just to move that little bit faster, in our five-speed luxuries-
just to move that little bit closer, to the world on your tv's."
-Culture Shock-

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 11:10 PM

"When Isenberg discovered the copper coins he also found four coins that originated from the Dutch East India Company — with one dating back to 1690...."

That right there would seem to blow away any chance that the copper coins were left there 1000 years ago.


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 11:12 PM

I think the aborigines did a stand-up job of finding oz though. the nearest they could've got is java, and australia's 60m over the horizon, so they can't have known it was there. it'd take a breeding population of at least 20 to get the ball rolling, so that discounts the odd fisherman clinging to a log in a storm & being blown there. then there's the matter of being in a strange land with unknown plants/foodstuffs, and not to mention the fact that EVERYTHING in oz will kill you in the most painful way imaginable!
all in all, not too bad at all!!
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we've ploughed up so much country just to get from A to B, just to move that little bit faster, in our five-speed luxuries-
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Posted 19 May 2013 - 11:17 PM

View PostPersonFromPorlock, on 19 May 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

"When Isenberg discovered the copper coins he also found four coins that originated from the Dutch East India Company — with one dating back to 1690...."

That right there would seem to blow away any chance that the copper coins were left there 1000 years ago.
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it doesn't really say the coins were left there 1000yrs ago, just that they're around 1000yrs old, but even the coin from the east india co. is from almost 100yrs before cook got there!

"well we've ruined all the good bits, and cut down all the trees, and dumped the radiation into the deep blue seas.
we've ploughed up so much country just to get from A to B, just to move that little bit faster, in our five-speed luxuries-
just to move that little bit closer, to the world on your tv's."
-Culture Shock-

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 11:31 PM

1000 years ago ....
that would fit in with the Ancient China mariners nicely ....

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