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#1    tinysbox13

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 04:30 PM

There is speculation that "BigFoot" is all but a person(s) (I count midgets as people too) in a "gorilla" outfit. I cannot 100% deny this claim. There is alot of dumb videos/photos of tracers out there. Now I've also heard of people shooting at the "BigFeet," for reasons of wanting/needing the physical proof of the damn thang.

The point I'm trying to make; would you get into trouble, by law or whatnots, if you were to shoot a "BigFeet" and it turned out to be a person(s) in a "gorilla" costume? :huh:

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 04:35 PM

View Posttinysbox13, on 24 July 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

The point I'm trying to make; would you get into trouble, by law or whatnots, if you were to shoot a "BigFeet" and it turned out to be a person(s) in a "gorilla" costume? :huh:

I don't think the people that ran over the dude in a bigfoot suit faced any charges. I guess as long as you were legally hunting, you could just say you thought it was a bear.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 04:35 PM

View Posttinysbox13, on 24 July 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

There is speculation that "BigFoot" is all but a person(s) (I count midgets as people too) in a "gorilla" outfit. I cannot 100% deny this claim. There is alot of dumb videos/photos of tracers out there. Now I've also heard of people shooting at the "BigFeet," for reasons of wanting/needing the physical proof of the damn thang.

The point I'm trying to make; would you get into trouble, by law or whatnots, if you were to shoot a "BigFeet" and it turned out to be a person(s) in a "gorilla" costume? :huh:

Thank you for your time.

Depends on a number of things. What state you were in? Were you n fear for your life? Did you contact the authorities or did you take off and they had to track you down?

You can be charged with an almost mundane charge like Involuntary manslaughter, or you could be charge with up to second degree murder. First degree murder requires that you intended and premeditated on killing the person in the suit, while knowing it was a person in a suit. Or, you might not be charged at all. Often times people who shoot other hunters are never charged and it's considered a terrible accident.

Then too, the person who put on the suit should have understood that this was a real possibility, getting shot, that is. So, he bears some responsibility for his own actions, but here again it will depend on factors like the mindset of the area as to whether it was a criminal act or not.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 04:52 PM

Only ok if the Bigfoot assaults you first....

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 04:53 PM

yeah i agree it would be said persons fault for wearing a costume like that in a hunting area


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Posted 24 July 2013 - 05:12 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 24 July 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:



I don't think the people that ran over the dude in a bigfoot suit faced any charges. I guess as long as you were legally hunting, you could just say you thought it was a bear.

The gentleman was actually struck by two different cars, both driven by young girls who probably couldn't see him and couldn't stop in time.  He was wearing a full body ghillie suit, at night, along side a road.  When this occurred, authorities were going to have a toxicology report done to determine if the gent was drinking prior to the accident.  I don't recall any other news concerning results of the toxicology examination or any lawsuits.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 05:25 PM

View PostInsanity, on 24 July 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

The gentleman was actually struck by two different cars, both driven by young girls who probably couldn't see him and couldn't stop in time.  He was wearing a full body ghillie suit, at night, along side a road.  When this occurred, authorities were going to have a toxicology report done to determine if the gent was drinking prior to the accident.  I don't recall any other news concerning results of the toxicology examination or any lawsuits.
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Posted 24 July 2013 - 05:25 PM

View Posttinysbox13, on 24 July 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

There is speculation that "BigFoot" is all but a person(s) (I count midgets as people too) in a "gorilla" outfit. I cannot 100% deny this claim. There is alot of dumb videos/photos of tracers out there. Now I've also heard of people shooting at the "BigFeet," for reasons of wanting/needing the physical proof of the damn thang.

The point I'm trying to make; would you get into trouble, by law or whatnots, if you were to shoot a "BigFeet" and it turned out to be a person(s) in a "gorilla" costume? :huh:

Thank you for your time.



I have a Bigfoot costume. It is on loan right now for some " filming ".

First, as said, if someone shot him ( lets use him as the guy in the suit ) in an area where Elk are, and hunting season is on, and the person has a tag, he will be just fine....Hunting accident.
And, as mentioned, very stupid move on his part for doing it there. I can see he knows these things, and is staying clear of areas like this.

Now, I would hope, and I am sure, other people are the same way. Not to mention, anyone making a hoax does not want to go way out of town ( where people hunt ) just to film a fake video. They will stay close, maybe even a park. A lot do this in National, or State Parks where hunting is illegal.

I did it a few times, and I did it in an area where no hunting is allowed, and where heavy tourism is at. I had a spotter where the cars parked to look at the meadow, and the lighthouse.

The people using the costume now will be doing the same thing. Empire Lakes, Oregon if anyone wants to know, or sees a future sighting on youtube, or on BFRO's site. They will be going to a crowded tourist place, a place where many have cameras. And, some in the group will have cameras.


So, as far as someone shooting one. I do not think that will ever happen. People are not running around in a costume all alone, through hunting areas during hunting season. They are going to parks, and are not going alone, they have at least one person there with a camera. They would not be quiet doing this.

I hunted for over 20 years, and I know a lot of people that do. I am 100% sure that a true hunter would recognize a person in a costume, and the person shooting the video, and would not take a shot......Hunters are not stupid.


My most important point.....People doing this do not go out into hunting areas, and they are not doing this alone.


So....If someone shot me, or my friend, doing this, while we had a person filming, in a no hunting zone......I would say at the least, manslaughter. But, I really doubt it would happen.


Someone mentioned " if you were afraid for your life "......Someone has been watching the latest TV court hearings...That is in Texas, and is intended for if someone is attacking you, or being aggressive towards you.....I doubt anyone in a Bigfoot costume is going to do that. So that excuse is out.





You can change this around.....

Say me and a few friends are making a Movie on our own. We have a Moose costume that takes two people to operate. We are all set up for a scene, and start filming. We are just off of Highway 101, and on BLM land, no hunting, and no hunting season. The scene is just the Moose slowlly walking through the water........

Then some idiot stops, pulls out a gun, ( knowingly poaching ) and shoots the Moose, killing one of the actors.

That is the exact scenario, whether it is a bigfoot costume, a clown costume, or no costume......I am sure at least manslaughter. You could write diferent States fish and Game departments on this. I had written about 7 regarding if it were illegal to kill a Bigfoot, if one were real. They all answered, and all were very friendly......By the way, they all said there is no law for an animal that is not proven to exist.....Shoot away.


Anyway, I think I made my point....

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 05:30 PM

View Posttinysbox13, on 24 July 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

There is speculation that "BigFoot" is all but a person(s) (I count midgets as people too) in a "gorilla" outfit. I cannot 100% deny this claim. There is alot of dumb videos/photos of tracers out there. Now I've also heard of people shooting at the "BigFeet," for reasons of wanting/needing the physical proof of the damn thang.

The point I'm trying to make; would you get into trouble, by law or whatnots, if you were to shoot a "BigFeet" and it turned out to be a person(s) in a "gorilla" costume? :huh:

Thank you for your time.

I'm not sure you would get in trouble.  If a reasonable person feared for their life in such a situation and that resulted in them defending themselves, then I don't really think they could be convicted.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 05:31 PM

If your out to scare or hoax people, the one thing you don't want to do is lay in the middle of the road and expect the motorist to see you in time to stop just so you can jump and and say "boo".  Ain't gonna happen.

As far as I'm concerned, man up and be responsible for your actions. If you wanna dress up in a wooly booger costume, be ready to face the consequences.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 05:34 PM

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Looking back at news articles from then, first car struck him when he was standing in the right-hand lane, the second car struck him when he laying in the roadway.  He was pronounced dead at the scene.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 05:37 PM

View PostRafterman, on 24 July 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

I'm not sure you would get in trouble.  If a reasonable person feared for their life in such a situation and that resulted in them defending themselves, then I don't really think they could be convicted.

Fearing for your life of someone in a ape costume not anywhere near you would not work. That law is for people being attacked, not just scared of something.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 05:43 PM

I wonder if " your honor, I just wanted the million dollar reward from Olympic Beer" would get you off the hook. :lol:

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 06:29 PM

View PostSakari, on 24 July 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

I have a Bigfoot costume. It is on loan right now for some " filming ".

First, as said, if someone shot him ( lets use him as the guy in the suit ) in an area where Elk are, and hunting season is on, and the person has a tag, he will be just fine....Hunting accident.
And, as mentioned, very stupid move on his part for doing it there. I can see he knows these things, and is staying clear of areas like this.

Now, I would hope, and I am sure, other people are the same way. Not to mention, anyone making a hoax does not want to go way out of town ( where people hunt ) just to film a fake video. They will stay close, maybe even a park. A lot do this in National, or State Parks where hunting is illegal.

I did it a few times, and I did it in an area where no hunting is allowed, and where heavy tourism is at. I had a spotter where the cars parked to look at the meadow, and the lighthouse.

The people using the costume now will be doing the same thing. Empire Lakes, Oregon if anyone wants to know, or sees a future sighting on youtube, or on BFRO's site. They will be going to a crowded tourist place, a place where many have cameras. And, some in the group will have cameras.


So, as far as someone shooting one. I do not think that will ever happen. People are not running around in a costume all alone, through hunting areas during hunting season. They are going to parks, and are not going alone, they have at least one person there with a camera. They would not be quiet doing this.

I hunted for over 20 years, and I know a lot of people that do. I am 100% sure that a true hunter would recognize a person in a costume, and the person shooting the video, and would not take a shot......Hunters are not stupid.


My most important point.....People doing this do not go out into hunting areas, and they are not doing this alone.


So....If someone shot me, or my friend, doing this, while we had a person filming, in a no hunting zone......I would say at the least, manslaughter. But, I really doubt it would happen.


Someone mentioned " if you were afraid for your life "......Someone has been watching the latest TV court hearings...That is in Texas, and is intended for if someone is attacking you, or being aggressive towards you.....I doubt anyone in a Bigfoot costume is going to do that. So that excuse is out.





You can change this around.....

Say me and a few friends are making a Movie on our own. We have a Moose costume that takes two people to operate. We are all set up for a scene, and start filming. We are just off of Highway 101, and on BLM land, no hunting, and no hunting season. The scene is just the Moose slowlly walking through the water........

Then some idiot stops, pulls out a gun, ( knowingly poaching ) and shoots the Moose, killing one of the actors.

That is the exact scenario, whether it is a bigfoot costume, a clown costume, or no costume......I am sure at least manslaughter. You could write diferent States fish and Game departments on this. I had written about 7 regarding if it were illegal to kill a Bigfoot, if one were real. They all answered, and all were very friendly......By the way, they all said there is no law for an animal that is not proven to exist.....Shoot away.


Anyway, I think I made my point....

I'll have to remember to reference this post when someone counters the "it's a guy in a suit" argument with "who would do that".

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 06:33 PM

View PostSakari, on 24 July 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

Fearing for your life of someone in a ape costume not anywhere near you would not work. That law is for people being attacked, not just scared of something.

Granted if you're talking about someone up on a hillside a quarter mile away, but I'm talking about these guys that like to put on suits and get right up next to folks.  I could easily see someone making the defense that they were so utterly terrified for their life that they were compelled to defend themselves.  And then back that up with evidence that the person was a firm believer in Bigfoot and this was a known Bigfoot sighting area.

It's kind of like the discussion we had about the hoax ghost scare video where the girl would come out of the secret panel in the elevator - some of those victims were absolutely terrified and who could fault them for feeling they had to defend themselves.

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