MysticOnion Posted September 8, 2009 #1 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I often wonder if in some books that there may be some misdirection to lead some people away from the truth but to lead some people to the truth. I admit I don't know much about NLP but I do know they concentrate on how a person thinks, whether they concentrate more on imagery or sound, and how different people link the two together. The NLP practitioner might say "The dog is in the Garden" and depending how you percieve that they can tell whether you are image or sound based. Likes of.. someone might in their imagination, hear the dog barking, and some might just visualise a dog. Also I don't think NLP is new I think its an old trick going back centuries. Basically, if there is a book which aims to tell the truth to those who can hear or show it to those who can see, it might also include sections of misdirection for those who wish to persecute others who "hear" or "see" certain things. When reading revelation I read words like "Let him who hath an ear listen" and then it talks about the voice of God like a trumpet. Then I read "Let he who hath an eye see" and it goes into some imagery about a dragon/beast rising from the waters... I think this is NLP - an early version. What do you think? http://magic.about.com/od/glossaryofmagicterms/g/Misdirection.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggK Posted September 8, 2009 #2 Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) Greetings Seven. Neuro-Liguistic Programming tells of how the mind communicates with the self. Thank you for bringing that out. In reading your statements, my mind just begins firing like a thunderstorm. And yes, the bible is a good NLP guide. From the beginning, the bible becomes a mind. And it is interesting that it was not until the 1970s that somebody came out with that concept. In your first example,'the dog is in the Garden,' is the first experiment. You first have to prove there is a dog. That would be a lifetime thing for a hypochondriac dyslexic. Edited September 8, 2009 by greggK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggK Posted September 8, 2009 #3 Share Posted September 8, 2009 In your first link you have put up there about magic, I do not believe that has anything to do with NLP. Magic is 'purposeful misdirection.' Right now, in the United States, the predominate color of dress is drab blue, dull blue. You start wearing bright fancy colors like they did in the '70s, what is going to happen? You will start waves of gossip and inuendos. You activate everybodys' NLP. Oh, BTW a dog does not exist to a hypochondriac dyslexic agnostic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metacast Posted September 8, 2009 #4 Share Posted September 8, 2009 mmmm i love to find a thread with low post count so i can get my words in. heres some .02nts The spirit teaches, not books. Books are good for roadsigns, and if you want to go to Place A, and the Book is tellin you how to go to Blace B, but calling it place A, then we got some misdirection, and maybe some bad spiritual fruit. But the spirit of truth, if loved, will love back, and little spirits might have their day, but they will bow to their greaters. In truth, even the lie is true (cause it so defines itself lie). Truth in itself is also spirit, that is the only way we can know it. It can not be coined, or complete, unless it is spiritually perfect, which would make it the infinite fulfillment of itself. and last one! Faith will be your Helmet and Love will be your breastplate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggK Posted September 9, 2009 #5 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Faith will be your Helmet and Love will be your breastplate. Ohhh, that's good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticOnion Posted September 9, 2009 Author #6 Share Posted September 9, 2009 In your first link you have put up there about magic, I do not believe that has anything to do with NLP. Magic is 'purposeful misdirection.' Right now, in the United States, the predominate color of dress is drab blue, dull blue. You start wearing bright fancy colors like they did in the '70s, what is going to happen? You will start waves of gossip and inuendos. You activate everybodys' NLP. Oh, BTW a dog does not exist to a hypochondriac dyslexic agnostic. One of the people I admire a lot, Derren Brown, he uses both misdirection and NLP to make it look as if he's able to do things he isn't, its just that he knows how the mind works. I feel that the people who wrote the bible did a similar thing in that.. they misdirected people, yet at the same time successfully hid a powerful message that some people can't find because they've been misdirected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggK Posted September 12, 2009 #7 Share Posted September 12, 2009 One of the people I admire a lot, Derren Brown, he uses both misdirection and NLP to make it look as if he's able to do things he isn't, its just that he knows how the mind works. I feel that the people who wrote the bible did a similar thing in that.. they misdirected people, yet at the same time successfully hid a powerful message that some people can't find because they've been misdirected. Which Derren Brown do you admire? The one who is telling the truth or the one who is telling a lie? Or do you even know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticOnion Posted September 13, 2009 Author #8 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Er.. just Derren Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted September 13, 2009 #9 Share Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) Basically, if there is a book which aims to tell the truth to those who can hear or show it to those who can see, it might also include sections of misdirection for those who wish to persecute others who "hear" or "see" certain things. When reading revelation I read words like "Let him who hath an ear listen" and then it talks about the voice of God like a trumpet. Then I read "Let he who hath an eye see" and it goes into some imagery about a dragon/beast rising from the waters... I think this is NLP - an early version. What do you think? What you are referring to are different modes of thought - Visual, Auditory or Kinaesthetic. If you read any text, you'll see that it's natural to put these modes together when describing something. NLP is the name given to a wide variety of techniques useful within hypnosis and hypnotherapy. One of those techniques makes use of different modes of memory to make traumatic memories less painful, by ascertaining which mode is attached to a memory and using the other modes to explore it. Edited September 13, 2009 by Tiggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggK Posted September 13, 2009 #10 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The thing about words in a book, the curvature of the letters tells your brain where to go with the attention. You read the word 'circle,' what does your brain do? That is NLP. You read the word 'go,' your brain does the same thing. You put the two in a sentence like 'go in a circle,' your brain will probably do just that in everything it does. And it will continue going in a circle until you insert the word 'stop.' Like, 'stop going in a circle.' But that is about 1/4 of the concept. Tiggs mentions - Visual, Auditory or Kinaesthetic. That is like a 3 dimensional image. You 'see' images and you attach meaning and the meaning is 3 dimensional. Somebody says 'dog' to you and you 'see' a little furry tail-wagging creature, you may 'hear' it bark, and you may 'feel' the softness of the coat. If sombody says to you, 'there is a god barking over there,' your brain is going to be confused, but at the same time, it is going to correct the word in the sentence to match the learned structure. You more than likely will not consciously correct the statement, so your brain will be working on the 'god' thing, like 'What does god sound like when he barks?' Then you'll start thinking of thunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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