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#1    MysteryX

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:19 AM

You know I have watched a lot of stuff in my life but never in my life have I seen so many things happening all at once that seem to be creating the perfect storm to start world war 3 for real. What say you? I imagine this topic has been discussed before on this forum, heck everything most likely has been discussed before but anyway what do you think? I personally believe tactical nuclear war is about to break out. Not all out nuclear war but limited nuclear war in the middle east maybe also Pakistan and India, NK etc. Maybe 3-15 weapons.




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Posted 24 February 2012 - 01:27 AM

View PostMysteryX, on 24 February 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

You know I have watched a lot of stuff in my life but never in my life have I seen so many things happening all at once that seem to be creating the perfect storm to start world war 3 for real. What say you? I imagine this topic has been discussed before on this forum, heck everything most likely has been discussed before but anyway what do you think? I personally believe tactical nuclear war is about to break out. Not all out nuclear war but limited nuclear war in the middle east maybe also Pakistan and India, NK etc. Maybe 3-15 weapons.


Not at this time.  IMO there will be a lead in conflict limited to the ME.  Iran will not be stopped in it's quest for a bomb short of military intervention.  Obama will do almost anything to keep from scrambling his chances for reelection because of another war.  If Israel strikes alone then they'll receive return fire from Iran, Hizballah and Hamas.  If the Assad butchery is still going on then he'll probably join in as well.  The Hezzies and Hamas will be made short work of.  Civilian casualties in Gaza, southern Lebanon  and potentially northern Israel will be staggering IMO.  If Iran goes for sustained missile fire at Israel then Obama has to join in and Iran's infrastructure including the IRGC gets pounded so severely that the mullahs could lose control.  So I don't think Iran uses that card.  They just use the proxies.  Israel's conventional forces are good enough by all accounts to handle all four adversaries at once as long as the fight remains conventional.  
Assad is the wildcard.  If he's in personal jeopardy of falling ala Gaddafi, then he might well use chemical or even biological weapons against Tel Aviv.  If he does Israel will turn Damascus into a "heap of ruins".  The prophet Isaiah wrote that about 2600 years ago BTW.  As an aside, I have earlier put forth the idea of this destruction of Damascus and been roundly shown the error of my ways by many here.  I still believe in the validity of the prophecy and those who criticized me said that even if Damascus was destroyed overnight at some point future they still would not accept it as a prophetic event.  
I think that the use of an Israeli nuke on Damascus will galvanize world opinion toward peacemaking at all costs.  Even Israel will be amenable because her enemies will be so badly beaten that they will be no threat for years to come.  I think Iran stays out of the nuclear fray and survives essentially intact.  But gets very quiet in the short term.  The world's nuclear powers scream and shout and rattle sabers but also collectively breathe a sigh of relief that utter catastrophe was averted.  EVERYONE takes a step back from the abyss and a peace treaty between Israel and her remaining enemies is signed for a period of...seven years.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:18 AM

View Postand then, on 24 February 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Not at this time.  IMO there will be a lead in conflict limited to the ME.  Iran will not be stopped in it's quest for a bomb short of military intervention.  Obama will do almost anything to keep from scrambling his chances for reelection because of another war.  If Israel strikes alone then they'll receive return fire from Iran, Hizballah and Hamas.  If the Assad butchery is still going on then he'll probably join in as well.  The Hezzies and Hamas will be made short work of.  Civilian casualties in Gaza, southern Lebanon  and potentially northern Israel will be staggering IMO.  If Iran goes for sustained missile fire at Israel then Obama has to join in and Iran's infrastructure including the IRGC gets pounded so severely that the mullahs could lose control.  So I don't think Iran uses that card.  They just use the proxies.  Israel's conventional forces are good enough by all accounts to handle all four adversaries at once as long as the fight remains conventional.

Assad is the wildcard.  If he's in personal jeopardy of falling ala Gaddafi, then he might well use chemical or even biological weapons against Tel Aviv.  If he does Israel will turn Damascus into a "heap of ruins".  The prophet Isaiah wrote that about 2600 years ago BTW.  As an aside, I have earlier put forth the idea of this destruction of Damascus and been roundly shown the error of my ways by many here.  I still believe in the validity of the prophecy and those who criticized me said that even if Damascus was destroyed overnight at some point future they still would not accept it as a prophetic event.

I think that the use of an Israeli nuke on Damascus will galvanize world opinion toward peacemaking at all costs.  Even Israel will be amenable because her enemies will be so badly beaten that they will be no threat for years to come.  I think Iran stays out of the nuclear fray and survives essentially intact.  But gets very quiet in the short term.  The world's nuclear powers scream and shout and rattle sabers but also collectively breathe a sigh of relief that utter catastrophe was averted.  EVERYONE takes a step back from the abyss and a peace treaty between Israel and her remaining enemies is signed for a period of...seven years.


I disagree with your "not at this time" point but I sure hope like heck I'm incorrect and you are right. Here is why I disagree. Israel has been well prepared to use nuclear weapons if the world keeps dragging their feet concerning Iran. Israel has no hope of controlling Iran, Syria and Egypt let alone Hezbollah and Hamas with conventional weapons alone. If America does not help Israel then any war event that escalates will force Israel to use nuclear weapons. Syria can destroy Tel Aviv Israel in about 3 hours and kill half a million people in less than 2 hours if Syria is willing to use its large stock piles of bio and nerve agents in their missiles. Syria in the first volley can launch 250 missiles an hour from all its launch points in range of Israel. If it comes to that rock and a hard place Israel will go nuclear against Damascus and Iran. Then if pressed by the world community Israel will and does have a plan to attack any. This includes EU, the United States, Russia and China. If we don't stop Iran and force Israel into a go it alone situation then everyone will regret it and it will go nuclear before it is over.

This is the most dangerous period in history ever recorded because of its potential for quick escalation to nuclear battle field rather than a conventional one. Netanyahu does not trust Obama and Netanyahu just called General Dempsey a servant of Iran. Netanyahu knows that if he attacks Iran even with a green light from America Obama could still back away. In other words Netanyahu might assume Obama is setting him up and the American fleet is just their for show not go.

So if Netanyahu does attack he has to be ready to use tactical and offensive nuclear weapons. If Syria, Iran and possibly even Egypt plus Hamas and Hezbollah attack or counter attack Israel, then if America waviers even a little then Isreal has no choice but to use nuclear weapons. Israel could not survive that type attack without using nukes if America betrays Israel when Israel needs her most. So for Israel if it escalates she will use nuclear weapons regardless of threats from Russia or China. If you aready being destroyed with no hope for help, then threats by Russia and China of world war mean nothing.

It is sorta like having a mini gun in your hand ready to fire watching 1,000 people with knives running towards you ready to kill you. Israel might say; do I wait because Russia says it will start world war 3, and that they will destroy me if I shoot. But If I don't shoot I will die and world war 3 won't matter, if I'm already dead and my country is all dead then I have betrayed my people.

Now make the mini gun of my little story nuclear weapons and the 1,000 people coming to kill all of Israel's enemies attacking at the same time, with no help from America. What to you think is going to happen? If you're still not sure what is most likely going to happen then take a .44 magnum pistol and jump into a Tiger cage, when the Tiger attacks you decide what to do.

Obviously it would have been nice not to have even gotten into the Tiger cage in the first place, but for Israel getting out of the Tiger cage is impossible.

Edited by MysteryX, 24 February 2012 - 02:28 AM.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:52 AM

I see the points you're making and they are sound IF it all unravels as you think.  I agree that Netanyahu can't trust Obama and he knows it.  Where we differ primarily is in Israel's conventional force abilities.  Every source I've read agrees that Israel has enough manpower and qualitative advantage in weapons systems to defeat Hizballah and Hamas at the same time.  The reason people don't believe this is because of the poor showing Israel made against both in the last conflicts.  They were separate events and in each case a maximum amount of restraint was observed so as to mitigate against a strong international outcry over civilian casualties.  That outcry happened anyway and Israel took note of the futility of having it's troops killed for showing such restraint. In an all out war scenario Israel will feel no such constraints.  They will strike fast, deep and hard.  This is why I think that civilian casualties will be massive. It will be a tough day to be a Lebanese supporter of the Hezzies. As to Assad's chem/nerve agents - as soon as a single casualty from this is confirmed Israel will obliterate the sources and Damascus itself.  They have publicly declared as much.  I believe it is in this crucial moment that cooler heads will prevail.  The ayatollahs want above all else to retain power and they have been deluding themselves that Israel can be bluffed into a position where she can actually be destroyed by the proxies plus Assad.  With the proxies being quickly routed and Assad suddenly GONE, Iran will look to save what it can of it's military - especially the IRGC and Basijj.  If you read Psalm 83 of the old testament you'll see that all the combatants mentioned there,except Egypt and Saudi Arabia, are on the list of combatants we are discussing now.  And I believe that Egypt and the Saudis will not go all in...they may offer support but I don't see them heavily involved.  primarily because I think this conflict will be largely spontaneous on the part of Israel's enemies.  They will be reacting and will not be as effective as they might have been in a carefully coordinated thrust.  The general exchange of nukes will follow this war by just a few years I think.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 03:35 AM

View Postand then, on 24 February 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

I see the points you're making and they are sound IF it all unravels as you think.  I agree that Netanyahu can't trust Obama and he knows it.  Where we differ primarily is in Israel's conventional force abilities.  Every source I've read agrees that Israel has enough manpower and qualitative advantage in weapons systems to defeat Hizballah and Hamas at the same time.  The reason people don't believe this is because of the poor showing Israel made against both in the last conflicts.  They were separate events and in each case a maximum amount of restraint was observed so as to mitigate against a strong international outcry over civilian casualties.  That outcry happened anyway and Israel took note of the futility of having it's troops killed for showing such restraint. In an all out war scenario Israel will feel no such constraints.  They will strike fast, deep and hard.  This is why I think that civilian casualties will be massive. It will be a tough day to be a Lebanese supporter of the Hezzies. As to Assad's chem/nerve agents - as soon as a single casualty from this is confirmed Israel will obliterate the sources and Damascus itself.  They have publicly declared as much.  I believe it is in this crucial moment that cooler heads will prevail.  The ayatollahs want above all else to retain power and they have been deluding themselves that Israel can be bluffed into a position where she can actually be destroyed by the proxies plus Assad.  With the proxies being quickly routed and Assad suddenly GONE, Iran will look to save what it can of it's military - especially the IRGC and Basijj.  If you read Psalm 83 of the old testament you'll see that all the combatants mentioned there,except Egypt and Saudi Arabia, are on the list of combatants we are discussing now.  And I believe that Egypt and the Saudis will not go all in...they may offer support but I don't see them heavily involved.  primarily because I think this conflict will be largely spontaneous on the part of Israel's enemies.  They will be reacting and will not be as effective as they might have been in a carefully coordinated thrust.  The general exchange of nukes will follow this war by just a few years I think.

I don't base what I said on Israel's past performance in battle. What is different now is Hamas had 3,000 crude missles in Gaza with about 500 modern tank busters during the previous conflict. Now Gaza is considered the 8 largest holder of missles in the world. They have over 30,000 missles now. Even so I think Israel would be able to destroy most of the missile storage areas by the terrorists. As far as Bible prophecy is concerned Psalm 83 I think the prophecies you are speaking of may have more than one application. In other words Egypt might not be destroyed like Damascus but this does not mean they do not become involved which could cause Israel to panic all the more.

I really hope you are right and I believe Bible prophecy, having said that I firmly believe a limited nuclear war sets the stage for the Antichrist to rise and bring peace. I do not believe what most Christians believe concerning rapture or that major wars do not happen before the rise of Antichrist. Anyway one thing is for sure, we will all find out pretty soon I think, or more preferably later. :)

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 03:53 AM

View PostMysteryX, on 24 February 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

I don't base what I said on Israel's past performance in battle. What is different now is Hamas had 3,000 crude missles in Gaza with about 500 modern tank busters during the previous conflict. Now Gaza is considered the 8 largest holder of missles in the world. They have over 30,000 missles now. Even so I think Israel would be able to destroy most of the missile storage areas by the terrorists. As far as Bible prophecy is concerned Psalm 83 I think the prophecies you are speaking of may have more than one application. In other words Egypt might not be destroyed like Damascus but this does not mean they do not become involved which could cause Israel to panic all the more.

I really hope you are right and I believe Bible prophecy, having said that I firmly believe a limited nuclear war sets the stage for the Antichrist to rise and bring peace. I do not believe what most Christians believe concerning rapture or that major wars do not happen before the rise of Antichrist. Anyway one thing is for sure, we will all find out pretty soon I think, or more preferably later. :)
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:35 PM

View PostMysteryX, on 24 February 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

You know I have watched a lot of stuff in my life but never in my life have I seen so many things happening all at once that seem to be creating the perfect storm to start world war 3 for real. What say you? I imagine this topic has been discussed before on this forum, heck everything most likely has been discussed before but anyway what do you think? I personally believe tactical nuclear war is about to break out. Not all out nuclear war but limited nuclear war in the middle east maybe also Pakistan and India, NK etc. Maybe 3-15 weapons.


View PostMysteryX, on 24 February 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

You know I have watched a lot of stuff in my life but never in my life have I seen so many things happening all at once that seem to be creating the perfect storm to start world war 3 for real. What say you? I imagine this topic has been discussed before on this forum, heck everything most likely has been discussed before but anyway what do you think? I personally believe tactical nuclear war is about to break out. Not all out nuclear war but limited nuclear war in the middle east maybe also Pakistan and India, NK etc. Maybe 3-15 weapons.

Yes, the real deal coming. This year, IMO. And agree that it will be limited use of weapons.

Just say that both good and bad ET's exist. Let's say 2012 means the ushering in of the fifth era or Golden Age by the good ET as stated by the Mayan and Hopi Indians (though please note the Hopi do not say any particular year but they are in strong agreement with the Mayan and their ancestors that we are now pretty much in the last events of the last days).

The bad ET do not want the good ET taking their power over mankind away. They do not want peace and equality. They do not want people knowing about ETs.

So in order to stop 2012 being a peaceful transition into 2013 or the start of year 1, an all out show down between the good and bad ET looks likely, making sure there's a huge human toll, thus WW III. The Hopi Indian have been spot on with their prophecy so far regarding WW I and WW 2 (even warning in the 1920's about one of the signs would be those bringing WW 2 would bare the sign of the swastika and rising sun (Germany and japan) and are waiting for the 3rd war that prophecy warns will be far worse than the first two wars and will be the last. And also a strong indication that the nation who first used the nukes (USA on Japan) will have nukes dropped on them (But since USA has so many bases [43?] just outside Iran, nuking them would be the same as dropping nukes on US soil). But the good are far more powerful than the bad so will be able to interviene (as stated by some remote viewers within the Tibetan monks) before humankind is totally wiped out, so will limit the use of nukes by human governments who are mostly blinded to the fact they are being egged on by the bad ETs into this horrific scenario.

Also in the American Indian prophecies there is a warning that the oldest nation (Sumarians?) with first knowledge (writing agreculture and so forth) Iran/Iraq/Syria, will be the ones to perhaps set off the nukes (not necessarily the ones to cause the wars). But like I've said in previous posts any nation such as Iran to set off nukes they would have done so after being backed into a corner. Interestingly the bible states that the King of the North will be pushed by the King of the South and come down with great anger and spill over into all the world. All we have seen is a contiuned unrelenting teasing of the North (East) by the South (West) for decades. Any resulting involvement by China, IMO, will be an attempt to restore order and peace but will fail and will be overtaken by the higher good ETs in order to make sure all human rule is removed as no human government lasts forever even if it were good. I say this because there are enough humans that do not want equality between the races or religions for there can never to be world peace. There has never been total peace world wide. Never. China has a vested interest in NOT having any wars. Thus its policy of letting nations sort out their own problems, even if many die. A civil war is far preferable than a world war.

As I'm unfamiliar with USA politics re the voting. I assume that if another great war was to break out before November 2012 elections there would be no elections. So if war did break out Obama is in a win win situation as being president. Or would the country come under rule of all parties in consultation with one another to show a false united front to fight the evil?

Is it the republicans who want all the troops pulled out no matter where in the world due to the expences. Or is that mostly Ron Paul? IMO, war will break out if USA stays in the ME and if it leaves. No win sitation for USA, as far as I can see.

USA has so many tigers by the tail now it is pretty much trapped as it has made so much rope to hang itself with.

Politicians are ruthless and will do anything to either stay in power or set up the opposition to make them look really bad. If the republicans can make Obama seem as though he helped start another war they would see this as a good move, IMO. Let's not look at things with rose tinted glasses. History books are full of leaders, or military leaders, sacrificing millions of its peole to get what they want. Just with WW III the ending will not be the same as past wars. No human government wins. Thank goodness.

And though the governments and big business are trying to convince the world that another worse financial collapse is not going to happen because they will not allow it to happen...hey, tell that to the Greeks.

All the signs of WW III soon, definitely here, IMO.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:01 AM

Any thing is possible.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:24 AM

for Christians a lot of people here seem to be anxious for war, good thing keyboard warriors dont call the shots, or wed be at war with the whole of the Middle East, North Korea, China, Mexico and Russia right now.


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:51 AM

View PostSatampraZeiros, on 27 February 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

for Christians a lot of people here seem to be anxious for war, good thing keyboard warriors dont call the shots, or wed be at war with the whole of the Middle East, North Korea, China, Mexico and Russia right now.
Anxiously aware of the possibility.  No person in their right mind wants it.  It's an interesting connection you suggest though.  I think I, like many Christians, see the events in the ME as potential signs of Christ's return.  That, and not war, is what we are anxious for.  The wars have been with mankind always and always will until Christ returns.  But I can understand how others could view us as being obsessed or even warmongers.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:20 AM

View Postand then, on 27 February 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

Anxiously aware of the possibility.  No person in their right mind wants it.  It's an interesting connection you suggest though.  I think I, like many Christians, see the events in the ME as potential signs of Christ's return.  That, and not war, is what we are anxious for.  The wars have been with mankind always and always will until Christ returns.  But I can understand how others could view us as being obsessed or even warmongers.

It's hard to see what could exactly happen.

But we all can agree the ingredients for a proper world-scale apocalypse seem to be coming together.

But isn't that our fate now; to endure until we facilitate our own ends?

We are the generations after the only use of the atomic bomb in general warfare.

It's only a matter of time; but when. So we are left in the dark.

We can only speculate on what is currently going on. That is my best advice.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:01 AM

View Postand then, on 27 February 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

Anxiously aware of the possibility.  No person in their right mind wants it.  It's an interesting connection you suggest though.  I think I, like many Christians, see the events in the ME as potential signs of Christ's return.  That, and not war, is what we are anxious for.  The wars have been with mankind always and always will until Christ returns.  But I can understand how others could view us as being obsessed or even warmongers.

Very true. When I was a Christian it was wanting all the signs to be fulfilled. We did not look forward or want the bloodshed. Just for it all to end so as to bring peace, freedom and equality for all. We can not have the baby without the pregnancy and birth pains.

View PostDrayno, on 27 February 2012 - 07:20 AM, said:

It's hard to see what could exactly happen.

But we all can agree the ingredients for a proper world-scale apocalypse seem to be coming together.

But isn't that our fate now; to endure until we facilitate our own ends?

We are the generations after the only use of the atomic bomb in general warfare.

It's only a matter of time; but when. So we are left in the dark.

We can only speculate on what is currently going on. That is my best advice.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 03:39 AM

I believe that Israel will use her nuclear weapons first. This is by far the most likely scenario for a nuclear war. They are the most threatened by far, and have already demonstrated their ability and willingness, during the first Gulf War.

The chain of events might go something like this:

Israel attacks Iran, and Russia defends Iran under existing treaties.  Assuming that their own nuclear arsenal will protect from a retaliatory strike, Russia is the only leading candidate to defend Iran.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:51 AM

I think Syria/ Pakistan will be he first invaded then it will be initiated. Iran is definitely gonna be involved. Yet the consequences of this war will be far greater than we currently understand. We need to et power into the hands of people with empathy.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:27 AM

Well whatever happens, I know that India would get involved in it. Our stupid Prime Minister really should step down!

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