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[joc]

Would you do me a favor and tell me if you think my beliefs are New Age?  I'm being serious.

Here we go:

There is only one thing that exists.  Energy.  It is infinite.  Infinite Energy.  It manifests in an infinite number of forms, on an infinite number of levels, for an infinite number of reasons.  Everything in the Universe...us, the planets, the stars, the space between the stars...everything is Energy.

On this level, Energy exists according to the laws of Physics that we all know and love.  Quantum physics, physics, etc. are our ways to interpret and define Energy.

No one knows what happens or if anything happens after death.  Most believe something lives on...no one really knows.

There is no time.  Time is a measurement of man's creation and serves no purpose outside of man's linear concepts.

There is life on other planets in the Universe...but it is so incredibly distant as to be non-existent.  There are no UFOs or aliens.  There are no angels.  There are no demons.  There is no heaven.  There is no hell.

Right now...this...whatever you are experiencing in this moment ...this...is reality.  There is no yesterday, there is no tomorrow, there is only Now..always and forever Now, and that Now is constantly changing...yet it is always Now.

Okay, these are things that I 'believe'.  Am I a New Ager?  I don't think I am ....but do 'you' think I am?

[_Only]

Again, you're taking my attempt to help and saying I am judging you. It's doing this that makes me think you might be doing the same thing with those who you are so angry at. You haven't stated otherwise how these
people have fooled you personally into hate while promising love, and judged you so badly. I just know that you hate these people, and are now attempting to spread that message of hate to us. It's not a good thing. You may act as if your message isn't made out of hate, and maybe it wasn't intended that way, but the things you write and way you write it shows your anger has boiled into hatred, and educating isn't as much the point, as is venting.

araxia, on 20 November 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

People are free to debate on this

No, they're not. Anyone who doesn't agree with anything you say here is labelled a troll and is not allowed to post, as you made clear in the post before this one. I am sorry some people took advantage of you, but you have to let it go and not shoot your anger out at whoever is nearby that doesn't understand your anger at a certain group of people misdirected to an entire belief in personal spirituality (which is what the blanket
term 'new age' refers to).

Edited by _Only, 20 November 2012 - 01:19 PM.

[araxia]

joc, on 20 November 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

Would you do me a favor and tell me if you think my beliefs are New Age?  I'm being serious.

Here we go:

There is only one thing that exists.  Energy.  It is infinite.  Infinite Energy.  It manifests in an infinite number of forms, on an infinite number of levels, for an infinite number of reasons.  Everything in the Universe...us, the planets, the stars, the space between the stars...everything is Energy.

On this level, Energy exists according to the laws of Physics that we all know and love.  Quantum physics, physics, etc. are our ways to interpret and define Energy.

No one knows what happens or if anything happens after death.  Most believe something lives on...no one really knows.

There is no time.  Time is a measurement of man's creation and serves no purpose outside of man's linear concepts.

There is life on other planets in the Universe...but it is so incredibly distant as to be non-existent.  There are no UFOs or aliens.  There are no angels.  There are no demons.  There is no heaven.  There is no hell.

Right now...this...whatever you are experiencing in this moment ...this...is reality.  There is no yesterday, there is no tomorrow, there is only Now..always and forever Now, and that Now is constantly changing...yet it is always Now.

Okay, these are things that I 'believe'.  Am I a New Ager?  I don't think I am ....but do 'you' think I am?

LOL is that all? No a new ager would force their own divinity down on people in my experience with them, they would tell people that they are their own gods, that they are super special and should be worshiped as divine beings higher up than the average individual... No I don't see you as one, believing in ENERGY does NOT make you a new ager, in fact if the indigo bunch believed more in things such as ENERGY they would have treated all as EQUAL, if everything is made out of energy then they would have seen us all as "divine beings in their own right" made out of the same stuff - energy... But unfortunately the new ager has no such concept of existence, that all is Spirit... Their "spirits or souls" they deem elevated above ENERGY that connects all, that is ALL... They deem themselves superior in "light bodies, energetic atoms" etc than other beings... They say however that ALL is One and that they are here to bring some peaceful UNION amongst mankind, but how can they do that if they see themselves as SEPARATE and higher from mankind or at last man's energy make-up?! Interesting, thanks for bringing that up, it makes more sense now... Since I believe those who can't see all are equal in energy, can't become at PEACE with it, and seem to run away from that Union with Spirit (source/life force energy) by thinking themselves superior to the very thing that connects all.

Edited by araxia, 20 November 2012 - 02:18 PM.

[araxia]

_Only, on 20 November 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

Again, you're taking my attempt to help and saying I am judging you. It's doing this that makes me think you might be doing the same thing with those who you are so angry at. You haven't stated otherwise how these
people have fooled you personally into hate while promising love, and judged you so badly. I just know that you hate these people, and are now attempting to spread that message of hate to us. It's not a good thing. You may act as if your message isn't made out of hate, and maybe it wasn't intended that way, but the things you write and way you write it shows your anger has boiled into hatred, and educating isn't as much the point, as is venting.



No, they're not. Anyone who doesn't agree with anything you say here is labelled a troll and is not allowed to post, as you made clear in the post before this one. I am sorry some people took advantage of you, but you have to let it go and not shoot your anger out at whoever is nearby that doesn't understand your anger at a certain group of people misdirected to an entire belief in personal spirituality (which is what the blanket
term 'new age' refers to).

Uhhm if you read carefully in my other comments how I got hurt by these new age nutters were thoroughly covered, a bunch of people shunning you for telling them that they are NOT any more special than others and should get off their high little "divine" pedestals...also fooling people that they are messiahs or divine messengers of some type when they clearly lack any spiritual awareness or spiritual knowledge and wisdom to begin with, when they are obviously only concerned with glorifying and praising themselves, there is no TIME in their narcissistic megalomaniac lives for GOD or actually trying to find union with the Divine when all that matters to them is themselves, not God or some higher spiritual purpose, only worshiping the EGO and living out all its lies...thinking themselves something special when they obviously are NOT and are only attention seeking brats lying about how divine they are to get attention to stroke their EGOS and get kicks out of exploiting people falling for their claims of being gurus when they know they really aren't, since they know nothing at all really despite claiming to KNOW ALL.. All for the show.. Ah the world is a stage. On the last note, calling what I write HATE SPEECH is not debating but trying to personally attack me not caring what you can learn from this on an objective level at all. If you continue along those lines I will not repond to your nonsensical rants about what a HATEFUL person I am, if you want to talk about the new age and the underlying principles to that belief system, please come back with a sober and objective intent, to analyze the NEW AGE beliefs instead of judging people who are questioning it themselves. If you want to question with us, you are welcome, but personal attacks is NOT the way of a seeker. Thanks!

Edited by araxia, 20 November 2012 - 02:33 PM.

[_Only]

araxia, on 20 November 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Uhhm if you read carefully in my other comments how I got hurt by these new age nutters were thoroughly covered, a bunch of people shunning you for telling them that they are NOT any more special than others and should get off their high little "divine" pedestals...

So that was the extent of how harmful these people are? They shunned you?

I have learned plenty from this on an objective level, but not what you intended. You intended to teach us that all people who believe in spirituality are bad and wrong. There are these certain people you describe in every facet or group in life. It  is a personality type. You have decided to pin this personality type on an entire population of people who believe in a vague widespread amount of topics involving spiritual nature. You have to admit, that's pretty obscene. That's like me saying all Christians think they're better than the rest of us, or all Muslims believe they are the chosen one. A very small percentage of each of these personality types exists in these religions, but the majority do not. Would it be fair to say they all do? Now switch Christianity and Islam with 'new age'. This thread would be locked if the subject was one of the religions.  Now you see where I'm coming from. You would make your message far more clear and relevant if you would narrow down who you're talking about, or at least say "certain people". It would be taken a lot more seriously and less bizarre.

I won't comment on the rest as I'm not attacking anyone.

[JGirl]

araxia, on 20 November 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

Any beliefs that end up hurting people I have a problem with, especially since I have been victim to this NEW AGE BS myself, with people pretending to be angels and messiahs incarnate only to HURT hundreds in their wake who maybe just wanted answers and ended up with more scars than anything else... I have no problem as to what people believe, but the moment they employ or use their beliefs to HARM anyone, well that is the very moment you fan my flames and rub me up the wrong way!!!!!!!!!!! If you want to get HURT and can stand by while watching how innocent people get hurt believing a bunch of BS, then be my guest, but please don't seek to patronize those who seek to do the right thing still inspite of adversary like this nonsensical support you render to new age nutters and self-proclaimed messiahs who only exploit people for their personal kicks and gold in their pockets, when the pure love they proclaimed to have for all turned sour!!!!!!!!!

if i may ask, how did you get hurt exactly?

[araxia]

_Only, on 20 November 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

So that was the extent of how harmful these people are? They shunned you?

I have learned plenty from this on an objective level, but not what you intended. You intended to teach us that all people who believe in spirituality are bad and wrong. There are these certain people you describe in every facet or group in life. It  is a personality type. You have decided to pin this personality type on an entire population of people who believe in a vague widespread amount of topics involving spiritual nature. You have to admit, that's pretty obscene. That's like me saying all Christians think they're better than the rest of us, or all Muslims believe they are the chosen one. A very small percentage of each of these personality types exists in these religions, but the majority do not. Would it be fair to say they all do? Now switch Christianity and Islam with 'new age'. This thread would be locked if the subject was one of the religions.  Now you see where I'm coming from. You would make your message far more clear and relevant if you would narrow down who you're talking about, or at least say "certain people". It would be taken a lot more seriously and less bizarre.

I won't comment on the rest as I'm not attacking anyone.

First off they do NOT only shun those who they DO NOT LIKE, they attack, bully and abuse those who don't comply with their NEW AGE dogma of self-worship. You are wrong I am NOT hating on all people who ARE spiritual, since NEW AGERS are NOT spiritual, they worship themselves as GOD, and of course the Ashtar command of fraud and the other light beings or ascended masters from beyond teaching them "how to be gods and how to become ascended masters aka mini-jesuses/messiahs" themselves... People who WORSHIP themselves as GOD have no true spiritual foundation of beliefs, nor walk a true spiritual path. Get this they call themselves "angels incarnate" yet do NOT worship a higher being than themselves, and claim they KNOW ALL... And everyone who dares to question their "know-all mentality" gets harassed in every new age forum online... They are somewhat like Christians, they are like the holier-than-thou types... If you tell them their ego is too much, and you won't bow to them nor worship them as your own personal God, all hell breaks loose and the love they say they have for humanity becomes a comical and ironic farce! This is just a friendly reminder to the inquisitive minds out there who like to question things and don't accept herd conformity: stay away from new age forums, they don't like people questioning their "godhood", anyone who does is seen as some type of enemy that must be silenced, and attacked until they shut up letting them be "gods"...while they don't live in kingdoms of Gold, are normal as hell, sitting in their under garments at home smoking pot hallucinating about being these great beings... Anyone who goes against their delusions get "stoned/attacked" and labeled a threat to the new age community.

Edited by araxia, 20 November 2012 - 11:37 PM.

[araxia]

JGirl, on 20 November 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

if i may ask, how did you get hurt exactly?

Join a couple of new age forums and starseed sites online, and ask a couple of questions, stand against them playing god, question their divinity and superpowers and you will KNOW... Try it, but I warn you it is NOT for the faint hearted... Only those who are allergic to BS and don't wish to see good hearted souls covered in it...would be brave or even stupid enough to do it to help others away from this evil online!

[araxia]

JG in new age forums online they only like people who play along with their games... They only like those who play along with their illusions of self-grandeur... Because everyone lives in a bubble of being soooo divine and having extreme super powers in their heads and online roleplaying the indigo/starseed part but back HOME behind closed doors and offline, they are pretty ordinary and suffer like the rest of us enduring this human condition they wish to deny exists... IDK websites that make people disconnect from reality like this are dangerous, and what is spiritual about indulging in illusion without ever attaining clarity of mind nor getting grounded to feel something absolute for a change, like the ground you are standing on for example...and for once not reaching for the non-existent clouds they live on?

[YouVotedBushDummy]

OP needs to lay off the stimulants, and stop being so damn cynical. After reading his/her post about departing on his/her other profile, I am beginning to believe he/she might just be a nutjob.

[Ryu]

I am sorry you were burned by some bad experiences but please do not lump all new agers into the same category. Not all of them are narcissistic just as not all christians are fanatical or fundamentalists.

The person themselves decides, willingly, what they will do..no religion or belief system makes them do anything they either don't want to do..many just lack the fortitude and courage to say "No".

[joc]

Please tell me if I am understanding this correctly...you have never actually been to a meeting with any of these New Agers, you have only encountered them on-line?  Is that right?

[JGirl]

araxia, on 20 November 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

JG in new age forums online they only like people who play along with their games... They only like those who play along with their illusions of self-grandeur... Because everyone lives in a bubble of being soooo divine and having extreme super powers in their heads and online roleplaying the indigo/starseed part but back HOME behind closed doors and offline, they are pretty ordinary and suffer like the rest of us enduring this human condition they wish to deny exists... IDK websites that make people disconnect from reality like this are dangerous, and what is spiritual about indulging in illusion without ever attaining clarity of mind nor getting grounded to feel something absolute for a change, like the ground you are standing on for example...and for once not reaching for the non-existent clouds they live on?

thanks for the reply i appreciate it
oh i am no stranger to the new age movement, or their websites. i've been around a while lol
i agree it's a lot of fantasy posturing and roleplaying. much of the esoteric stuff online is. i do a fair bit of eyerolling at their silliness.
yes i agree people get caught up in it and that can be bad, but those who get caught up do so willingly. it's like the person taking drugs for the buzz. eventually there is a good chance they will get hurt. you can't tell them that though, they have to live it.
i respectfully suggest you let it go. i see that you hate all things new age and i don't blame you lol but it is hurting you to carry it. they cannot hurt you. you are hurting you by carrying this negative vibe.
pity them, warn others, but keep yourself free of it

[linttrap]

Way too personal, OP.

Work that stuff out with a therapist!

[SpiritWriter]

I saw a guy in the middle of the street one day looking like he was attempting to fly. He put his arms halfway in the air while he thought about it, and then, with a jump he fully extended them. After each attempt, his feet landed awkwardly back on the ground, his face scrunched up in great disappointment and he even snapped his fingers as if to say "Darn it!" Over and over, he tried this again. I believe this guy WAS in a dream, but at the same time he was walking around outside.

I have met some people who feel that God has revealed to them that they are an angel, but I never met anyone who thought they had wings and could actually fly. I think the angels that I met understand they are humans, living a human life, but on a spiritual level (meaning something they will experience after they leave this earth) they will be able to fly perhaps, or have some other "angelic" attributes...