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The Secret Of The Pyramid.


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#46    Quaentum

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:22 PM

View Postkampz, on 20 December 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

I've been trying to convince myself that there was no UFO's or magicians going on but the possible unknown time it took to build still gets me.

Snefru was accused of using prisoners from Libya and Nubia along with captured cattle to help build his projects.(Palermo Stone)

Snefru was Pharaoh before Khufu. I don't think it's to far out of the realm of possibility that a slave force was used and there probably was a majority of them in my opinion. Snefru's slaves had to of died off. I don't know if Egypt kept a livestock of slaves going. I'm not sure if there's evidence of more warfare and capturing of prisoners by Egypt before/during the build of the Pyramids.

The Nile had to be getting flooded a lot during the entire time of the build or else there won't be any peasants leaving to help out.(Farms flooded) and there couldn't be any warfare going on. Lucky them.. Actually that's not lucky at all. The Nile flooded to much and they had few choices to turn to for making a life/money. "Mother nature" forced them into it.

If your friends go you might want to tag a long.

Slaves and most regular day peasants were probably doing all the pushing, pulling and lifting. The masons or the guys who could work stone probably got to mostly stand around while chipping away all day and night then work on the inside of the Pyramid.

Maybe it's not that bad of a job. It's like the life of a body builder for peasants with more beer. If there's no decent town with beer and women then it's going to tough to convince these guys to come which is why I suggest the Nile had to overflowing everywhere all the time. How much is the pay and beer? Is the beer free? They're leaving there families for mostly there entire lives and just sending the money away somehow when there building it? The beer better be free. Did they have a giant postal service? How well did it go over with the ones in power when people decided to leave the project midway or at anytime to go home and did they get paid even though they didn't stay the entire time? How does pay work? Can anyone shine some more light on the subject of pay checks for these guys? Did they drop two coins on some wood and say there you go?

What are the chances of all these guys chipped away at stones then all of them moved the stones to the site together then all of them stacking them together? What a sight that would be. The guys got the stones cut out really fast and it seems like everyone could do it with barely/no training. It seems like they only need there mason force working on the inside but they had to help with everything. They must of gotten rewarded greatly. You don't get to live to much longer if you lasted...

I really think these Pyramids are crappy now compared to other ancient monuments leading up to the rise of the Roman Empire. People here have convinced me that the stones used to build it are poorly worked and just terrible. Terrible masonry. The public really makes the Pyramids out to be something super special. I don't feel that way anymore.

The whole idea of the Pyramids of Giza in my opinion doesn't seem to be a bust just for Egypt.

Evidently the workers that built the Great Pyramid were paid workers not slaves.

AA LOGIC
They didn't use thousands of workers - oops forgot about the work camps
There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
Well we know they didn't use ancient tools to cut and shape the stones - Chisel marks?  Craps
I still say aliens built them!

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:57 PM

View PostAlcibiades9, on 20 December 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

There are not so much "secrets" as simple unanswered questions:

1) We do not know for sure who built the pyramids at Giza.

2) We do not know for sure when exactly they were built.

3) We do not know for sure why - to what purpose - they were built.

And perhaps most surprisingly, given our technological capacity to analyse (multiplied by the connective power of the Internet)...

4) We do not know how exactly they were built... not even the basics, like how they lifted the blocks (or even if a great number of the blocks used were actually some sort of ancient concrete).


Now Krowmax, these are indeed perplexing unanswered points, but you don't need to fill the knowledge vacuum with mumbo jumbo or extraterrestial input or supernatural nonsense.  The answers will come out of rational examination of the evidence.

The existence of camps that could house 20,000 workers, a ramp on the South side of the Great Pyramid and chisel marks on the stones, do not support and actually refute the advanced technology hypothesis.  When one views them together it becomes clear that they were built by humans.  Since it is highly unlikely that people came from other locations just to build the pyramids, it becomes likely that they were built by those indigenous to the region.

The workers were evidently paid workers and would have been in those camps to perform a job.  The number of workers indicates a large job.  The only large jobs at Giza would be the construction of the pyramids.

The existence of a sarcophagus in the king's chamber and the presence of mortuary temples indicates a connection with death and burial.

If we look to Coral Castle to see a man by himself, using simple machines, moved and stacked blocks whose average weight was 6 times the average weight of the stones in the Great Pyramid.  Now imagine how those stones could have been moved by thousands of workers.

Concrete is not as enduring as stone as can be seen in the deterioration that sets in for concrete after just a few years.  If the pyramids were even partially concrete, those parts would have long ago turned to dust leaving large gaps where the concrete once existed.

We may not know all the specifics, but we can apply Logic, Common Sense and Critical Thinking and come up with a quite workable theory.

AA LOGIC
They didn't use thousands of workers - oops forgot about the work camps
There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
Well we know they didn't use ancient tools to cut and shape the stones - Chisel marks?  Craps
I still say aliens built them!

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:38 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 20 December 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

The existence of camps that could house 20,000 workers, a ramp on the South side of the Great Pyramid and chisel marks on the stones, do not support and actually refute the advanced technology hypothesis.  When one views them together it becomes clear that they were built by humans.  Since it is highly unlikely that people came from other locations just to build the pyramids, it becomes likely that they were built by those indigenous to the region.

The workers were evidently paid workers and would have been in those camps to perform a job.  The number of workers indicates a large job.  The only large jobs at Giza would be the construction of the pyramids.

The existence of a sarcophagus in the king's chamber and the presence of mortuary temples indicates a connection with death and burial.

If we look to Coral Castle to see a man by himself, using simple machines, moved and stacked blocks whose average weight was 6 times the average weight of the stones in the Great Pyramid.  Now imagine how those stones could have been moved by thousands of workers.

Concrete is not as enduring as stone as can be seen in the deterioration that sets in for concrete after just a few years.  If the pyramids were even partially concrete, those parts would have long ago turned to dust leaving large gaps where the concrete once existed.

We may not know all the specifics, but we can apply Logic, Common Sense and Critical Thinking and come up with a quite workable theory.

I agree.  But nothing you have said contradicts my points 1 to 4... and all we are left with is a theory.  How workable it is is a matter of degree, and often depends on what narrative you have in your head.

We know they were built by someone, somehow, sometime and for some purpose.  No surprises there.  No aliens.  No advanced technology beyond human ingenuity.  But the specifics remain unknown and unproven.


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:17 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 20 December 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

Evidently the workers that built the Great Pyramid were paid workers not slaves.

I'm sure the workers got some type of reward but I believe a slave force was used as well. Not a lot but just a majority of all the total workers combined in my opinion. You're not whipping your peasants or they're out of there. Money is a key part along with time. How much were they getting paid? I've figured out ways to get around 100,000 men or a lot to the site on free will.

The reason why I need slaves is because Pharaohs before were using them. There's noway there isn't any slaves present at the site of the Giza Pyramids in my opinion.

As I said before does thousands of guys walking in and out of the project finish the Pyramids on time? If my friends leave I'm probably going too.

There needs to be a endless supply of food and drink.

Like Jurassic Park and raptors, life will find a way to exist. It wouldn't be the end of the World for the peasants if there fields got flooded. How much money or what was the reward for some of these guys?

It takes years for construction workers to complete a road or expressway. Those projects are easy. Did Egyptian pyramid builders work in the rain? The Nile needs to stay flooded.

Edited by kampz, 20 December 2012 - 11:02 PM.


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:51 AM

View PostAlcibiades9, on 20 December 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

I agree.  But nothing you have said contradicts my points 1 to 4... and all we are left with is a theory.  How workable it is is a matter of degree, and often depends on what narrative you have in your head.

We know they were built by someone, somehow, sometime and for some purpose.  No surprises there.  No aliens.  No advanced technology beyond human ingenuity.  But the specifics remain unknown and unproven.

Without delving into the other aspects of the above (time limitations), you may find the following papers to be of interest in regards to the temporal aspect. Apologies to the other weary members of these pages for the repetition.

http://www.2dcode-r-...rbonproject.pdf

http://img2.tapuz.co...1_143488617.pdf

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