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#31    himalyanmystic

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:11 AM

View PostAquilaChrysaetos, on 14 March 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:23 PM

View PostParanoid Android, on 15 March 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

I'm sharing how "I AM" is used in its most ancient form, at least Ancient as can be transmitted through writing.  Perhaps it existed before this.  I wouldn't necessarily agree with such, but it might exist.  But since the Hebrew scriptures are amongst the oldest existing writings we have (not the oldest, but amongst the oldest) then that is what we have to work with.  Good luck in trying to prove an earlier incarnation of "I AM" through other sources.

View PostParanoid Android, on 15 March 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

I'm sharing how "I AM" is used in its most ancient form, at least Ancient as can be transmitted through writing.  Perhaps it existed before this.  I wouldn't necessarily agree with such, but it might exist.  But since the Hebrew scriptures are amongst the oldest existing writings we have (not the oldest, but amongst the oldest) then that is what we have to work with.  Good luck in trying to prove an earlier incarnation of "I AM" through other sources.

Have you ever taken a look at the Papyrus of Ani ? Don't forget that Moses lived and studied with the Egyptians by which he also has taken from . I sort of have this feeling that he revised from their teachings , b.t.w my  favorite I Am statements are those spoken of by Jesus or  Yeshua .
What  hebrew writings are you  referring to , from what books ? Have you seen the talmud? I am no fan of that book . It is one of the most hateful books i have ever seen against humanity which confuses me when I understand that the I Am you mention and hebrew writing must refer back to moses which by whom the talmud is said to have been passed down to the jews by word of mouth where as they have the right to steal, lie,kill,  and rob from anyone who is not of their race or religion, so I'm a bit confused about moses these days.I AM .....also not a fan of   the oldest  ancient  hebrew teachings which  is the talmud.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 04:06 AM

View PostReann, on 10 April 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Have you ever taken a look at the Papyrus of Ani ? Don't forget that Moses lived and studied with the Egyptians by which he also has taken from . I sort of have this feeling that he revised from their teachings , b.t.w my  favorite I Am statements are those spoken of by Jesus or  Yeshua .
What  hebrew writings are you  referring to , from what books ? Have you seen the talmud? I am no fan of that book . It is one of the most hateful books i have ever seen against humanity which confuses me when I understand that the I Am you mention and hebrew writing must refer back to moses which by whom the talmud is said to have been passed down to the jews by word of mouth where as they have the right to steal, lie,kill,  and rob from anyone who is not of their race or religion, so I'm a bit confused about moses these days.I AM .....also not a fan of   the oldest  ancient  hebrew teachings which  is the talmud.
The Talmud is not the oldest Hebrew text.  The Talmud consists of the Mishnah (200AD) and the Gemara (500AD).  Compare that to the Tanakh, which is a collection of works dating at least 500 years before Jesus.  The Book of Exodus was most likely written in the 6th Century BC, and that is where I get the information on "I AM".

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 04:25 AM

Interregio sum, ergo sum.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 03:00 PM

View PostParanoid Android, on 11 April 2013 - 04:06 AM, said:

The Talmud is not the oldest Hebrew text.  The Talmud consists of the Mishnah (200AD) and the Gemara (500AD).  Compare that to the Tanakh, which is a collection of works dating at least 500 years before Jesus.  The Book of Exodus was most likely written in the 6th Century BC, and that is where I get the information on "I AM".
Yes , the talmud consist of oral teachings , as did most teachings .I think  it wasn't until like 5 centuries A.D  when the jews actually wrote the teachings , the traditions known within the talmud which consist of many hebrew books are ancient to the jews.They're very old , they just were not  written down but taught , it was in their hearts , and strongly believed.
I'm not feeling the same about Moses and what little people  have  been given   to think of him.I've always questioned things pertaining to his actions,and, instructions from what little was given to know of him . until now when the talmud revealed  some things  ..

I don't trust everything we were told to believe about things , such as the exodus . I don't even know for certain if the jews were even slaves in Egypt amongst  other things.  I'm almost certain that he most likely took the I Am reference from what he learned in the royal house he was raised  up in the Egyptian religion..  I Am most likely can be traced back to the teachings in Egypt, where Moses was  amongst the elite.

Honestly speaking , I find it difficult in my heart to accept that God would reveal God to Moses on such a personal level, knowing what Moses did and how he instructed his followers to kill anyone they came upon, doesn't feel like someone very Holy or Godly to me.But what do i know/?


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 03:11 PM

You know there are quite a few scholars who don't think any of the OT was written until after the Babylonian-Persian exodus, by the priests returning to reestablish Judaism under Persian hegemony.  They may have had some earlier-written documents that they drew from but almost all of the OT dates from much later than people think.

The implication is that almost all of the OT is myth -- not just Moses and Canaan and all that but also David and even events of the late Judaic kindgom.

There is a huge problem dealing with both Judaism and Christianity -- myths are believed to this day and people go looking for evidence to support them and ignore abundant evidence to the contrary.  Real scholars who have no axe to grind get ground up in this and decide to study Hittites instead.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 12:19 PM

I'm very curious as to just how close stories are of Judaism - Christianty and Egyptian myths. They're was to close ,as in exactly identical. Even the ten commandments were in Egypt first .
There's a part in the bible where Jesus instructed the 12  telling them to look for  a man pouring  water and for them to go into the house of that man. I thought that was an odd thing at the time when i first read that, but the house of aquarius is symbolized of a man pouring water , and, in mentioning this I guess i'm trying to say that astrotheology does seem to make sense to me about a lot of things.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 06:29 AM

It means you will know me by my actions...  God is saying you will know me by my works....  You will see the 10 plagues from the wrath of God and know that IAM God!  You will see my mercy and forgiveness and know that IAM God!

Im sure when Jesus said it he also meant to get across that he simply WAS and always will be, that he was NOT created, that he just exists.  God IS, he is I AM, he wasn't created nor is his purpose or will dependent on any other.  He is fulfilled in himself, unlike all his creations that are only fulfilled in Him....


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:23 PM

Will.I.Am produces cancer for the ears. If he is God or God is like that. I think I'll stick to Hell.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:28 PM

View PostOrcseeker, on 17 April 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Will.I.Am produces cancer for the ears. If he is God or God is like that. I think I'll stick to Hell.

Is that like the opposite of God to God as Paracelsus used to say? Can you see him down there anywhere? I commend what I have written according to the truth of God to God...

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:26 PM

View Postkais_1, on 14 March 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

"iam" - "i am"

what do they mean to u?

" i am what i am"
Hi Kais_1,

Since Jesus Christ is my savior, literally, I MUST accept the story of Jesus, His "monogenes" reality [according to the findings of Michael S. Heiser]...and my first-hand experience. On the other hand, "Awakening" [the way Bart Marshall explains it] has a different definition to "I am." "Awakening," however, is but a small fraction of the story of "true" freedom. Yes, "I am" has that "freedom" connotation to it. It's a profound statement, no doubt.

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Edited by braveone2u, 18 April 2013 - 11:28 PM.

"Also, if they (Gospels) were written early (before 70 AD), this would mean that there would not have been enough time for myth to creep into the gospel accounts since it was the eyewitnesses to Christ's life that wrote them."

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:10 AM

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Eminem: 'I am whatever you say I am' - Ooooooh that derails the concept! :su

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:42 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 12 April 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

You know there are quite a few scholars who don't think any of the OT was written until after the Babylonian-Persian exodus, by the priests returning to reestablish Judaism under Persian hegemony.  They may have had some earlier-written documents that they drew from but almost all of the OT dates from much later than people think.

The implication is that almost all of the OT is myth -- not just Moses and Canaan and all that but also David and even events of the late Judaic kindgom.

There is a huge problem dealing with both Judaism and Christianity -- myths are believed to this day and people go looking for evidence to support them and ignore abundant evidence to the contrary.  Real scholars who have no axe to grind get ground up in this and decide to study Hittites instead.

There are EGYPTIAN Writings/tablets that give the exact same 10 plague account given in Exodus!!!  It wasn't a myth, it's historical fact backed up by the civilization demonized in Exodus as the bad guys...

And I think the city of Jerusalem that still stands today speaks for itself as far as the legitimacy of it's history....  I don't think any historian or scholar would argue that the histories of the Kings of Israel and Judah given in the Bible aren't historical.  Some people who don't believe in God might say the histories were written through religious eyes and the good or bad fortunes of a particular King being based on how they acted towards God is a myth, but no one would historically argue that King David and Soloman and the others that followed were myths....  The existence of the Israelites  is backed up by the histories of all the other nations of the region all the way up to the greeks and romans...

View PostReann, on 10 April 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Have you ever taken a look at the Papyrus of Ani ? Don't forget that Moses lived and studied with the Egyptians by which he also has taken from . I sort of have this feeling that he revised from their teachings , b.t.w my  favorite I Am statements are those spoken of by Jesus or  Yeshua .
What  hebrew writings are you  referring to , from what books ? Have you seen the talmud? I am no fan of that book . It is one of the most hateful books i have ever seen against humanity which confuses me when I understand that the I Am you mention and hebrew writing must refer back to moses which by whom the talmud is said to have been passed down to the jews by word of mouth where as they have the right to steal, lie,kill,  and rob from anyone who is not of their race or religion, so I'm a bit confused about moses these days.I AM .....also not a fan of   the oldest  ancient  hebrew teachings which  is the talmud.

What part of the Talmud says it's alright to steal, lie, kill, and rob people of other races or religions????


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:30 AM

The mystery of I am, for the non Hebrew speaker.

We tend to speak of God as a noun, and then struggle to explain how a static and transcendent God could fashion an intrinsically dynamic and creative universe. The problem, however, is illusory and of our own making.

God is a verb
The Torah identifies God as YHVH
From the Hebrew verb h-v-h "to be"

YHVH is the future imperfect form of the Hebrew verb "to be". Imperfect meaning never ending and ever happening. God is the is-ing of reality: not so much the Creator of the universe but the creativity in, through, and by which the universe happens.

Take this understanding and apply it to Moses at the Burning Bush where, when asked to define God, God replies, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh (Exodus 3:14): not the static "I am that I am" of so many English translations, but the dynamic " I will become what I will become"

In this sense, God is not a static being but a dynamic becoming. God is not the Unmoved Mover but the Ever-moving mover.

So to sum it all up: "I am" is the bastardization of the Hebrew name of God.







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