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#1    Knight Of Shadows

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 06:37 PM

this is the same channel who operated in egypt under the 25 revolution
who operated in exactly same situation but somehow they must be broadcasting
something the military does not like arrested the director
heard he was lat go but not sure yet

http://www.egyptinde...azeera-director

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 06:45 PM

Would this be the "democracy" promoted by the probably soon to be late Mr. Morsi? I believe he was all for press freedom.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 06:46 PM

Wonder what the material was.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 06:52 PM

View PostHilander, on 08 July 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

Wonder what the material was.
that's the problem .. they never say that " sign of dictatorship "
the claim was that the channel had no licence to broadcast " channels denies it "
and this channel broadcasted the original revolution " in same circumstances "
broadcasted all things that's happening

but in my opinion democracy has been raped in egypt in public
and things are only going to get worse " no military should ever rule a country "

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 07:37 PM

Maybe you should tell your dictator that.  You are still in syria.

I said that the egyptions had elected their next dictator.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 07:40 PM

I get the impression that the Army is trying to keep some semblance of peace and keep the country from coming apart at the seams.  They may react too heavy handed against the pro Mursi people and if they do then it's on....  But if they just allow the Islamist Brotherhood to set the agenda the same thing is going to happen anyway.  The Brotherhood isn't going to just give up when they have waited so long for this power.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 07:48 PM

View Postdanielost, on 08 July 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Maybe you should tell your dictator that.  You are still in syria.

I said that the egyptions had elected their next dictator.
yes .. and i will never " run away " from my country
is that a problem to you ? and why bring it up ?

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 07:50 PM

View Postand then, on 08 July 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

I get the impression that the Army is trying to keep some semblance of peace and keep the country from coming apart at the seams.  They may react too heavy handed against the pro Mursi people and if they do then it's on....  But if they just allow the Islamist Brotherhood to set the agenda the same thing is going to happen anyway.  The Brotherhood isn't going to just give up when they have waited so long for this power.
personally i think both sides are stupid litarly
muslim brotherhood just want to eat all the power and leave nothing for anyone else
seculars would go to any extend not to see anyone muslim in power
military who's place " Should " be in inbetween to break them off .. is taking a side
which will in return result in armed resistance against military and would lead to whole new level of violence

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 07:55 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 08 July 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

Would this be the "democracy" promoted by the probably soon to be late Mr. Morsi? I believe he was all for press freedom.
he was dumb as well trying to seize all power to him self and his group.. but elected none the less
you see the problem in middle east is they NEVER learn
once they see the throne of power they want to sink their teeth in it and eat it all
will they ever learn to let opposition rule along some them NO !
would the opposition let them rule along side them ? NO !

each team just want to play solo .. no rest will come that way

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:14 PM

This whole issue probably isn't going to get resolved without a lot of violence, there seem to be two very different populations.  Those who want a religious government and those who don't.  Both seem to be willing to revolt to prevent the other from taking control and military is stuck in the middle.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:17 PM

View PostWickian, on 08 July 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

This whole issue probably isn't going to get resolved without a lot of violence, there seem to be two very different populations.  Those who want a religious government and those who don't.  Both seem to be willing to revolt to prevent the other from taking control and military is stuck in the middle.
actually the military no longer stuck in the middle .. which is the dangerous fact
military has taken side .. a big mistake and deadly one
one that could lead the country into bloodbath

i mean why on earth would military take side
if they left morsi opposition protest longer they will eventally have brought him down
but since they interfered it made the matter more dangerous
specially after they start killed pro morsi protestors

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:25 PM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 08 July 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

military who's place " Should " be in inbetween to break them off .. is taking a side
From how it's been reported here, the side the military is taking is "the vox populi", which although not exactly the military's role, it's a sign that Egypt mightn't be heading down the Pakistan/Fiji route just yet.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:00 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 08 July 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

From how it's been reported here, the side the military is taking is "the vox populi", which although not exactly the military's role, it's a sign that Egypt mightn't be heading down the Pakistan/Fiji route just yet.
it may appear that way .. but it's taking the " vox populi " path against other " vox populi " :D
a matter of politics should have been settled with politics as long both sides were allowed to demonstrate . protest and practice their rights
now it's different with only taking one side of people it will cause rage i've already seen it in people's speeches

specially after military shoot down 42 or so of the other side of people whom protesting
now each one of these people has at least family or friends of 10 who are willing to take action against military
then those get killed another rise .. i always say it's endless to fight civilians .. they keep on coming :D

egypt surroundings , demographic and groups build is differnet
it won't be long before an outrage by muslim community against the military
and if military won't step down they're going on it in force
it's a mistake .. military should always stay on it's job .. that's protect the country
as long as both parties were able to express their thoughts , desires , and opinions the country is just fine
but when you take down part and favor another .this is when things get ugly

i hope am wrong but it may seems the country on verge of breakin down and bloodbath civil war
coz of one very dumb and stupid military leader
and if it happens it won't only split the popluation of the country .. it will also split it's military
and you can imagin what that means

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:41 AM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 08 July 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

he was dumb as well trying to seize all power to him self and his group.. but elected none the less
you see the problem in middle east is they NEVER learn
once they see the throne of power they want to sink their teeth in it and eat it all
will they ever learn to let opposition rule along some them NO !
would the opposition let them rule along side them ? NO !

each team just want to play solo .. no rest will come that way
Well, exactly. That's how revolutions have always been, isn't it. Even if someone is "Democratically" elected, it really doesn't make any difference than it would if he seized power in a Coup, since they all just want power. Countries with established systems of "democracy" like W. Europe and, so far at least, the U.S., have systems to keep this under control, like (in the U.S.) setting time limits ont he term someone can be President, but in places that there's no tradition of Democracy, then they'll be just as bad as the dictators they replaced and really, the people will accept it, as that's just the way it's always been.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:16 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 09 July 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

Well, exactly. That's how revolutions have always been, isn't it. Even if someone is "Democratically" elected, it really doesn't make any difference than it would if he seized power in a Coup, since they all just want power. Countries with established systems of "democracy" like W. Europe and, so far at least, the U.S., have systems to keep this under control, like (in the U.S.) setting time limits ont he term someone can be President, but in places that there's no tradition of Democracy, then they'll be just as bad as the dictators they replaced and really, the people will accept it, as that's just the way it's always been.
because in usa and europe people have learned how to co-exist peacefully
beside democratic systems in usa and europe has been going on for a while . people got used to it
it's like hey .. we didn't win this election we'll win coming next elections
and power has been passing down by generations in usa for example .. republicans .. democrates

democratic system in middle east is a newborn with 10000 birth defections :D

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