China ends one-child policy after 35 years

[Still Waters]

China has scrapped its one-child policy, allowing all couples to have two children for the first time since draconian family planning rules were introduced more than three decades ago.

The announcement followed a four-day Communist party summit in Beijing where China's top leaders debated financial reforms and how to maintain growth at a time of heightened concerns about the economy.

http://www.theguardi...ne-child-policy

[Iron_Lotus]

oh wow how progressive of china you can have TWO kids now...

[Stubbly_Dooright]

Well, I agree with some of those in the article. The government, I feel, should have no control over family planning. Despite the reasoning for the change in policy, because now of the aging populace, I also feel it's because of another serious situation too. Because of the need for the sons to help with the aging families, and that the daughters end up marrying into other families, girl infanticide occurs. And now a generation later, we have this:

"This is a huge problem for China. We already have about 20 million boys who will never be able to marry because there aren't enough women.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1506469.stm

I don't think they can recover from the damage that has happened because of this policy. And I feel, it will still occur if some families have two girls. Other than that, then there is the situation where women are taken from other countries, because of this:

Bride-trafficking is common in the countryside. Kidnapped brides have fetched $600 apiece in rural Hebei Province, Chinese media have reported, though many of the women manage to run away.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/06/19/china-usat.htm

It makes me wonder why they never thought of this would occur before they instituted the policy.

Edited October 29, 2015 by Stubbly_Dooright

[SHaYap]

Only if you have the means to provide and care for them ... the CPC will only subsidize and register one for National coverage ~ now with the present conditions being somewhat brighter, reforms are being adjusted to better reflect the conditions ~

~ sign of the times ... I guess ... the low birthrate problems being compounded by many not choosing to start a family in the first place ~

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Sorry Stubbly ~ but your articles are not entirely reliable ~ not the Publication but the Journalist ... that's more of hearsay from 'reliable' sources ... the accusations made would have those involved dispensed with a bullet in the head ... a bullet they have to pay for by the way

Kidnapped brides have fetched $600 apiece in rural Hebei Province

apiece ... I'd like to slap the editor that let that slip into the final published article ...

~

Edited October 29, 2015 by third_eye

[Stubbly_Dooright]

Only if you have the means to provide and care for them ... the CPC will only subsidize and register one for National coverage ~ now with the present conditions being somewhat brighter, reforms are being adjusted to better reflect the conditions ~

~ sign of the times ... I guess ... the low birthrate problems being compounded by many not choosing to start a family in the first place ~

In which, if this is true, the one in the OP's link saying that those who chose not to should be thrown in jail. That makes me do a double take.

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Sorry Stubbly ~ but your articles are not entirely reliable ~ not the Publication but the Journalist ... that's more of hearsay from 'reliable' sources ... the accusations made would have those involved dispensed with a bullet in the head ... a bullet they have to pay for by the way

Well, I had hoped the publications site was a good place to show what I have read throughout the years. Yes, the journalists are not always totally unbiased, and it would reflect in their articles. I would think that yes, the powers that be in those publications would over see these journalist's articles.

So, on that note, I am interested in the background of these policies and the effects from these. If I'm correct, you are closer to this than I. I would be interested to see your point of view and what you have gotten to get to know more of it. (was that goodly grammer? )

apiece ... I'd like to slap the editor that let that slip into the final published article ...

Ok, good example.

But, I wanted to be able to put links to what I have read and watched through out the years of learning more of this. I remember a program I watched many many years ago about the one child policy. This is where I got wind of it. (Probably around the time when the policy was put into place) Then I remember reading the bit about how girls are killed, because of the reasoning that boys are more desired. I would think that the situation makes sense from this.

From your stand point, third eye, isn't there a female shortage? Isn't there an abundance of unmarried men who cannot find wives?

What do you think is going to happen to the aging population now?

I am seriously curious.

[SHaYap]

In which, if this is true, the one in the OP's link saying that those who chose not to should be thrown in jail. That makes me do a double take.

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It was a harsh and trying time for China ~ just out of WW2 Japan and with half if not more of the world global 'powers' against them ... baby steps all over again but look where they are now eh ?

Well, I had hoped the publications site was a good place to show what I have read throughout the years. Yes, the journalists are not always totally unbiased, and it would reflect in their articles. I would think that yes, the powers that be in those publications would over see these journalist's articles.

So, on that note, I am interested in the background of these policies and the effects from these. If I'm correct, you are closer to this than I. I would be interested to see your point of view and what you have gotten to get to know more of it. (was that goodly grammer? )

Ok, good example.

as goodly as goodie comes or goes my dear Stubbly

but goodly grammer is hardly my principal expertise ... in fact I practically decimates good grammar every chance I get

after all typonese is my first internet lingo ~

Its a long tired weary path when it comes to things China for me ... I like Western based non specialist sites because there's more about the people than about what what people know only ... and its more fun , much more in fact ... even when there are disagreements , it all depends on the grammar of good rather than the goodness of grammar.

I'm just tired of being called out as a liar and disseminating of BS because I point out that the media over in the West isn't entirely accurate with all things China ~ no harm no foul ~ and gradually it became a sentiment of its their loss ... which it is now ...

China has been building Diplomatic and Social Ties all over the World ~ that's where their Economic Strength comes from , not from Political Bullying and outright Threats of Military Might ~ it is all over the News just recently (China has been everywhere just this past few months it seems and the links would just bury this thread ) and it has been a long and difficult road where the fruits of their labor is now just beginning to show and bloom ...

I am happy for them and the World ~

But, I wanted to be able to put links to what I have read and watched through out the years of learning more of this. I remember a program I watched many many years ago about the one child policy. This is where I got wind of it. (Probably around the time when the policy was put into place) Then I remember reading the bit about how girls are killed, because of the reasoning that boys are more desired. I would think that the situation makes sense from this.

From your stand point, third eye, isn't there a female shortage? Isn't there an abundance of unmarried men who cannot find wives?

What do you think is going to happen to the aging population now?

I am seriously curious.

An aging Population is something almost every Asian country worried about ~ I think Singapore is the one in the most alarming situation as the population growth index has been in the critical low for a long time ~

China is a big country ~ not to mention the many many ethnic groups all over China ... I wont deny there are incidents that are mentioned but it is not as bad as it is insisted to be ~ teenagers dumping new born is much worse of the problem and that is not specifically involving just baby girls ~

For example ~

Males outnumber females by 34 million in China - CCTV News

but

African-Chinese couples on the rise in Guangzhou, China

~

inevitably it becomes local unmarried men will show the discrepancy in numbers ~ note that that article is just on Africans ... there is a large expat (all nationalities) population and is increasing by the hour ... on top of which the one child policy unfortunately gave rise to a generation of single child spoilt brats too consumed with the good and easy life to suffer the hardships of marriage life ~ not to mention being overly idealistic on what 'love' is ...

I could go on and on and on Stubbs but I am tired ... it has been along hard week for me ... good news is the monsoon has been trickling in and hopefully the haze over me will ease up a bit

~ edit : I am reading a nice little obscure book of ancient China :

Yin Chih Wen – The Tract of the Quiet Way

Posted on | October 26, 2015 |

It is traditional wisdom of Zen and Chinese Buddhism, insisted upon by Lao Tze and the sages of his school, that the quiet ways of Heaven should be imitated by man. As Heaven lets its sun shine upon good and evil, without discrimination and also without expecting reward or advantages ; so man should do good to his fellows, perform acts of rectitude, of justice, and of mercy, show benevolence and kindness toward all in an impartial spirit without cherishing ulterior motives.

The man who thus imitates “Heaven’s quiet way” in realizing the ideal of heavenly goodness is truly virtuous, and so Yin Chih has also come to denote a condition which may be characterized as, and translated by, “secret virtue,” reminding us of Christ’s injunction not to let our right hand know what the left hand is doing (Matt. vi. 1-4).

In the title of the book the words Yin Chih cover the general idea of the “secret ways” both as they are working in the divine dispensation and in human action, and if either meaning predominates we should say that it is certainly the former—the quiet ways of Heaven which determine the destiny of man and which are described by Shakespeareas

“A divinity that shapes our ends, Rough-hew them how we will.” —Hamlet, VI, 1-4.

Yin Chih Wen - The Tract of the Quiet Way

As Heaven lets its sun shine upon good and evil, without discrimination and also without expecting reward or advantages ; so man should do good to his fellows.

Written by: Unknown - translated by TEITARO SUZUKI AND DR. PAUL CARUS

Published by: THE OPEN COURT PUBLISHING COMPANY

Edition: First

Available in:Ebook

• holybooks link
  
• free PDF link
  

My favorite page from the the read ...

~ China has been occupied and governed by many and at times for the longest time ~ but essentially being Chinese is too deeply ingrained in China ... and a political system isn't going to change that ~

~

Edited October 30, 2015 by third_eye

[Stubbly_Dooright]

Ok, first, thank you so much in replying back to me, third eye! :)

It was a harsh and trying time for China ~ just out of WW2 Japan and with half if not more of the world global 'powers' against them ... baby steps all over again but look where they are now eh ?

In which makes me wonder about it. Granted, from the states, there is only so much I don't know, and what there isn't readily in information I could get here. But, yeah, I see it.

as goodly as goodie comes or goes my dear Stubbly

but goodly grammer is hardly my principal expertise ... in fact I practically decimates good grammar every chance I get

after all typonese is my first internet lingo ~

You want some humorous irony here? I think you are doing better than me, ..... and I have a degree in English!!!!! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!?! (yeah, sometimes I interject the bad grammer. It makes the customers laugh)

Its a long tired weary path when it comes to things China for me ... I like Western based non specialist sites because there's more about the people than about what what people know only ... and its more fun , much more in fact ... even when there are disagreements , it all depends on the grammar of good rather than the goodness of grammar.

I'm just tired of being called out as a liar and disseminating of BS because I point out that the media over in the West isn't entirely accurate with all things China ~ no harm no foul ~ and gradually it became a sentiment of its their loss ... which it is now ...

The way I see it, know and show what you used to find, understand, and know where you got your information, and be open to getting more from others. Like I like to do. Like again, I am very appreciative of your reply and input here.

There will always be BS caller outers, right?

China has been building Diplomatic and Social Ties all over the World ~ that's where their Economic Strength comes from , not from Political Bullying and outright Threats of Military Might ~ it is all over the News just recently (China has been everywhere just this past few months it seems and the links would just bury this thread ) and it has been a long and difficult road where the fruits of their labor is now just beginning to show and bloom ...

Yup! I have been noticing that.

I am happy for them and the World ~

Cool!

An aging Population is something almost every Asian country worried about ~ I think Singapore is the one in the most alarming situation as the population growth index has been in the critical low for a long time ~

China is a big country ~ not to mention the many many ethnic groups all over China ... I wont deny there are incidents that are mentioned but it is not as bad as it is insisted to be ~ teenagers dumping new born is much worse of the problem and that is not specifically involving just baby girls ~

Wow! Thanks for letting me know. I did not know that.

For example ~

Males outnumber females by 34 million in China - CCTV News

Yup read that, and it matched other sources I went to and got from when reading about the female shortage and the male surplus. That's why I mentioned, and inquired, about what I read sometime back about some men have been reduced to going to other countries for their wives. And it shocked me, within the sources I read, how they were kidnapped. Now, I thought it were other countries like Thailand, Singapore, and such.

But yes, this next bit was interesting:

but

African-Chinese couples on the rise in Guangzhou, China

~

Ah, I see. I find it interesting, the couple in question, is where the wife is Chinese, and the husband is African. I hope I don't offend, and I don't mean to, but I would think it would be the other way around. I would understand if you need to correct me. Do you think the majority of African/Chinese couples would still be male Chinese/female African?

inevitably it becomes local unmarried men will show the discrepancy in numbers ~ note that that article is just on Africans ... there is a large expat (all nationalities) population and is increasing by the hour ... on top of which the one child policy unfortunately gave rise to a generation of single child spoilt brats too consumed with the good and easy life to suffer the hardships of marriage life ~ not to mention being overly idealistic on what 'love' is ...

Well, I personally wouldn't know. I was one of five. And I had two myself. *shrugs* But, I hear ya.

I could go on and on and on Stubbs but I am tired ... it has been along hard week for me ... good news is the monsoon has been trickling in and hopefully the haze over me will ease up a bit

Rest up Sweetcheeks! My area just got the remnants of Mexico's hurrican Patricia. (yeah, that's not saying much. And I kind of liked it. ....... Yeah, I'm weird.)

~ edit : I am reading a nice little obscure book of ancient China :

Anything you could impart from that on cultural and historic level on that, I would be interested. If you have the time.

• holybooks link
  
• free PDF link
  

My favorite page from the the read ...

~ China has been occupied and governed by many and at times for the longest time ~ but essentially being Chinese is too deeply ingrained in China ... and a political system isn't going to change that ~

~

I would think nothing is going to be over night in any country and in any situation. How do you feel about this article from this source?

http://www.cnn.com/2...tion/index.html

I found it interesting how some are finding it harder to follow through, despite being happy about the political change. Now, this is from me, and I can understand what ever feeling you have for my outlook on this, but I had a feeling it was going to be slow. I just wonder how the male surplus and the many years of men without wives (or girlfriends) is going to effect the long term of China. It just makes me wonder.

Thank you again, third eye, for replying. I found your post highly educational.

Edited October 30, 2015 by Stubbly_Dooright

[SHaYap]

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Ah, I see. I find it interesting, the couple in question, is where the wife is Chinese, and the husband is African. I hope I don't offend, and I don't mean to, but I would think it would be the other way around. I would understand if you need to correct me. Do you think the majority of African/Chinese couples would still be male Chinese/female African?

Most welcome and please ... enough with the thanks ~ once is more than enough and is generosity most overwhelming ~ thank you

Well, I personally wouldn't know. I was one of five. And I had two myself. *shrugs* But, I hear ya.

Rest up Sweetcheeks! My area just got the remnants of Mexico's hurrican Patricia. (yeah, that's not saying much. And I kind of liked it. ....... Yeah, I'm weird.)

Anything you could impart from that on cultural and historic level on that, I would be interested. If you have the time.

it is a major concern ... some of them are now old enough to prop up the work force but they are mainly interested in being Merchants and business owners ... in the competitive environment of the China market they chew up these green horns like melon seed ... boulevard of broken dreams ~

Patricia thankfully was pretty good natured for a super storm ...

I am no expert by any means ~ I learn and is still learning today ... but anything I can be of help I will do my utmost best to be of help

I would think nothing is going to be over night in any country and in any situation. How do you feel about this article from this source?

http://www.cnn.com/2...tion/index.html

Just pretty superficial and rushed ... I think CNN is still in the process of translating and evaluating the spin factor ... even the China English

portals are still processing ... might take another half a day to put it all out

Meanwhile its have a look if interested ~

Full coverage: The Fifth Plenum of the 18th CPC Central Committee

One of the most attractive policies coming out of the CPC Central Committee's plenary session is the decision to discontinue the country's "one-child policy", and allow married couples to have two children.

A statement from the party's Central Committee said its decision was "to improve the balanced development of the population" and deal with the country's aging population issue.

The Director of the National Health and Family Planning Commission, Li Bin said that China's population development is a major turning point for the country. Growth has slowed, the working-age population has decreased, whilst the population is ageing in general. The one-child policy was amended slightly in November 2013 after the Third Plenary Session of the 18th CPC Central Committee, where it stipulated that couples were allowed to have two children if one of them was an only child.

• english cntv cn link
  

I've seen some initial survey reports on what the people thinks and it was something like 49% decidedly not having another child and 20+ % of those either jumping at it and the other saying maybe later we'll see ...

I found it interesting how some are finding it harder to follow through, despite being happy about the political change. Now, this is from me, and I can understand what ever feeling you have for my outlook on this, but I had a feeling it was going to be slow. I just wonder how the male surplus and the many years of men without wives (or girlfriends) is going to effect the long term of China. It just makes me wonder.

Thank you again, third eye, for replying. I found your post highly educational.

Its mainly African men and Chinese women because Africans are more willing to bear the hardships that comes along with marital life ... or maybe just by the fact that they are more willing to accept the idea of marital status ~

Who knows ... love is blind . perhaps as it has been said ...

China's men are more particular with choosing partners I guess and more accepting of the unmarried life too perhaps ... I myself has not married before and I don't suppose I will I guess ... no bones one way or the other ~ for us old school Chinese descents being unmarried is no big deal ... just as being married is no big hassle either ... unless one wants to make a big deal of a hassle out of it of course ...

~ again most welcome and it is most gracious of you ~ the educational here is all due to your kind self Stubbly ~ make no mistake ... thank you for making me a part of it ~

> I bow <

~

[Stubbly_Dooright]

Most welcome and please ... enough with the thanks ~ once is more than enough and is generosity most overwhelming ~ thank you

it is a major concern ... some of them are now old enough to prop up the work force but they are mainly interested in being Merchants and business owners ... in the competitive environment of the China market they chew up these green horns like melon seed ... boulevard of broken dreams ~

Patricia thankfully was pretty good natured for a super storm ...

I am no expert by any means ~ I learn and is still learning today ... but anything I can be of help I will do my utmost best to be of help

Just pretty superficial and rushed ... I think CNN is still in the process of translating and evaluating the spin factor ... even the China English

portals are still processing ... might take another half a day to put it all out

Meanwhile its have a look if interested ~

• english cntv cn link
  

I've seen some initial survey reports on what the people thinks and it was something like 49% decidedly not having another child and 20+ % of those either jumping at it and the other saying maybe later we'll see ...

Its mainly African men and Chinese women because Africans are more willing to bear the hardships that comes along with marital life ... or maybe just by the fact that they are more willing to accept the idea of marital status ~

Who knows ... love is blind . perhaps as it has been said ...

China's men are more particular with choosing partners I guess and more accepting of the unmarried life too perhaps ... I myself has not married before and I don't suppose I will I guess ... no bones one way or the other ~ for us old school Chinese descents being unmarried is no big deal ... just as being married is no big hassle either ... unless one wants to make a big deal of a hassle out of it of course ...

~ again most welcome and it is most gracious of you ~ the educational here is all due to your kind self Stubbly ~ make no mistake ... thank you for making me a part of it ~

> I bow <

~

Awwww, shucks, third eye, thank you too.

It's good to get a different point of view of it. And I get what you mean about the African males and their views as husbands to Chinese females.

I do find it interesting how some males are not looking at the prospect of not marrying as not something to be panicky about. I guess, that makes it more of an accepting situation, I guess.

It does seem, marriage is not as highly expected in parts of the world, as it was in the past. I guess it would make it easier for some, to view as that. I think it is also a healthy way of looking at it too.

And I never thought about how the CNN article would be translated, into consideration. I find that a good point. I thank you for your input on it.

So, you see this as not as catastrophic, as I am seeing in the media?

If so, that does put a different spin on this, in my point of view.

[SHaYap]

Awwww, shucks, third eye, thank you too.

It's good to get a different point of view of it. And I get what you mean about the African males and their views as husbands to Chinese females.

I do find it interesting how some males are not looking at the prospect of not marrying as not something to be panicky about. I guess, that makes it more of an accepting situation, I guess.

It does seem, marriage is not as highly expected in parts of the world, as it was in the past. I guess it would make it easier for some, to view as that. I think it is also a healthy way of looking at it too.

Most welcome ... Marital life is not as simple as it was and never as easy as it is meant to be ... personally I look at it as modern social norms being hardly conducive to marital life in all its aspects and manner ... modern times I guess ... expectations are greater and understandably so ~

I would never survive it , either myself or the marriage ~ the burden will be too great on my self ~

And I never thought about how the CNN article would be translated, into consideration. I find that a good point. I thank you for your input on it.

So, you see this as not as catastrophic, as I am seeing in the media?

If so, that does put a different spin on this, in my point of view.

All media will have translations made by their own team of qualified lingual experts apart from relying on the Official Press Releases ~ to cover the 'bases' as it were

None the need for catastrophe preparations ~ they are just pulling this blind over the positive with the negatives just to keep a handle on the pro and cons ... in the interest of 'balanced' view

It is good that they are concerned ... all parties involved ... it means things are being done to prepare for the worse ~ it also means the worse may not come as yet

~

[Stubbly_Dooright]

Most welcome ... Marital life is not as simple as it was and never as easy as it is meant to be ... personally I look at it as modern social norms being hardly conducive to marital life in all its aspects and manner ... modern times I guess ... expectations are greater and understandably so ~

Maybe so. I guess it would be seen as simple in the past. But, I agree with you more than one hundred percent, marital life is not as simple, and it does give a certain look that it is, in which couples go into it and realize it's more than they thoughts. I know, I have been married for over 24 years. It's tough, it takes all parties, and there will be memories.

I would never survive it , either myself or the marriage ~ the burden will be too great on my self ~

I think you seem to know more about marriage, than those who go into it with expectations and didn't realize it was going to be disappointing. Frankly, if you did get married, you would be able to handle it better than they would.

All media will have translations made by their own team of qualified lingual experts apart from relying on the Official Press Releases ~ to cover the 'bases' as it were

None the need for catastrophe preparations ~ they are just pulling this blind over the positive with the negatives just to keep a handle on the pro and cons ... in the interest of 'balanced' view

It is good that they are concerned ... all parties involved ... it means things are being done to prepare for the worse ~ it also means the worse may not come as yet

~

Well, my husband is not a big fan of CNN. Anyways, I would hope that it's not that bad as it is looking. I like to hope for the best.

[seeder]

Now you can have 1.5....

China has officially ended its one-child policy after 36 years, allowing all married couples to have a second child.

Chinese lawmakers on Sunday passed the new legislation during a session of the National People’s Congress Standing Committee, which governs the country’s laws.

The decision, which was first declared in October by the ruling Communist Party, takes effect as of January 1.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/27/443421/China-onechild-policy-Beijing-law-birth/

[GlitterRose]

People seem to be obsessed with this idea of growth. Growth is ultimately not sustainable. Space is finite and so are resources. It would be great if people would realize this.

[Leonardo]

People seem to be obsessed with this idea of growth.

Not people, nations. It's tribalism of course - and the primitive fear that, if your tribe isn't as strong as, if not stronger, than your neighbour, they will oppress you or even displace you/eradicate you. In the modern world it is a bit of an archaic mind-set but it is extremely difficult to overcome.

[GlitterRose]

People seem to be obsessed with this idea of growth. Growth is ultimately not sustainable. Space is finite and so are resources. It would be great if people would realize this.

It's interesting that at about 15:00 in, you see the division of things that help increase the population and things that help decrease it. Think about political parties and their rhetoric and take another look at that chart.