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#8026    Slave2Fate

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:03 PM

Add Peizoelectric and Radiation to the previous list as well. Not sure how I forgot those....

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 12:03 AM

View PostOniomancer, on 02 March 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

The particles in my diamond blade are bigger than dust. About the size of fine sand. It's a cheap blade though so there aren't too many, and it's imbedded in binder affixed to the surface of a steel disc instead of solid sintered.  The particles only have to be in the outer layer, which would fit with seeder's hypothetical. Common sand is mostly quartz so it would abrade anything from quartz on down. That's what stocks used. It's been suggested they crushed flint is more efficient.
My idea would be to use an adhesive to bind a layer of abrasive to the outside of the saw the same way, so the bronze wouldn't even touch the stone.
The only drawback would be possible softening from friction.

THe 'adhesive binder' needs a whole different kind of tech in itself, wood and cloth/leather adhesives are an entirely different kind of beast compared to metal adhesives ... don't believe it was possible then, if there were there would be evidence of it found. This is a very specialized category of technology proposed here. Flints/obsidian sounds viable but again there would be evidence of it found at quarries. Copper, bronze alloy or not is not the same as iron or steel, folding quartz or even flint in it wont work, molten or red hot, they don't behave the same. Ceramic saws would have been easier to incorporate the abrasive components, but again no tools found thus far shows evidence of this is mentioned as far as I know. We're talking of a highly specialized kind of saw here, not just another cutting tool that is used on rocks/stones/boulders/monoliths.


View PostOniomancer, on 02 March 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

The devices I've seen, mainly using wire, were configured as a bow saw. No more than two people were needed to operate it.

THe bow saw works up to a point dictated by the cut or size of the stone required, it could only be efficient up to a point and not on all kind of stones, brittle stones tend to chip and I don't think harder stones can be sawed with it over certain limited dimensions, the ones I've seen are the small ones, easily operated by one, less dangerous too, the breaking string can hurt someone real bad when the body is loosed, one man one less target plus you feel it better and knows when something is kicking back, with two operating, the one on the 'off' stance won't see it coming. It is of course possible but for the job mentioned here I would say highly unlikely.
Wrong kind of stone, wrong kind of size, wrong kind of cut for this choice of saw.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 01:56 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 03 March 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

THe 'adhesive binder' needs a whole different kind of tech in itself, wood and cloth/leather adhesives are an entirely different kind of beast compared to metal adhesives ... don't believe it was possible then, if there were there would be evidence of it found. This is a very specialized category of technology proposed here. Flints/obsidian sounds viable but again there would be evidence of it found at quarries. Copper, bronze alloy or not is not the same as iron or steel, folding quartz or even flint in it wont work, molten or red hot, they don't behave the same. Ceramic saws would have been easier to incorporate the abrasive components, but again no tools found thus far shows evidence of this is mentioned as far as I know. We're talking of a highly specialized kind of saw here, not just another cutting tool that is used on rocks/stones/boulders/monoliths.

I mean just plain gluing it on, no matrix. The AE had access to several tree resins, bitumen and hide glue.

Flint was widely used by the AE as well. Stocks describes a flint chisel discovered during an excavation and several experiments conducted with a replica. I believe he goes into the problem of debris.


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THe bow saw works up to a point dictated by the cut or size of the stone required, it could only be efficient up to a point and not on all kind of stones, brittle stones tend to chip and I don't think harder stones can be sawed with it over certain limited dimensions, the ones I've seen are the small ones, easily operated by one, less dangerous too, the breaking string can hurt someone real bad when the body is loosed, one man one less target plus you feel it better and knows when something is kicking back, with two operating, the one on the 'off' stance won't see it coming. It is of course possible but for the job mentioned here I would say highly unlikely.
Wrong kind of stone, wrong kind of size, wrong kind of cut for this choice of saw.


That depends on what you consider small. http://www.palagems...._mogok5_pt2.htm 5th picture down. Note the 4th too while you're at it.
One would assume caution would be exercised in it's use. Since they're holding the saw frame though and there also appears to be some slack, there actually seems to be relatively little danger of it snapping back.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 02:17 AM

View PostOniomancer, on 02 March 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

The particles in my diamond blade are bigger than dust. About the size of fine sand. It's a cheap blade though so there aren't too many, and it's imbedded in binder affixed to the surface of a steel disc instead of solid sintered.

I see particles about the size of small grains of sand (aren't they pretty when the sparkle?) but there may be diamond dust that I can't see. I don't know how the blade was made but it seemed expensive when I bought it.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 02:24 AM

View Postseeder, on 02 March 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

Well, you get a rock roughly the shape of the hole you wish to fill, you then cover the rock in clay and get a rough fit. The clay is left to harden naturally, (or not maybe)...and so it can simply sanded, very easily, until a precise fit/joint is made. This means less work of course and easy to change the shape by the sanding.

But this would only create material as strong as sun-dried bricks, not stone, right?

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Can clay turn into a form of sandstone? If the clay was full of sand 'does' that make it a sandstone? (Bear in mind clay can be red)

I don't think so. If it could, I'd like some!


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 02:48 AM

View Postscowl, on 03 March 2013 - 02:17 AM, said:

I see particles about the size of small grains of sand (aren't they pretty when the sparkle?) but there may be diamond dust that I can't see. I don't know how the blade was made but it seemed expensive when I bought it.

Yeah, the more expensive the blade, the more diamond and the more surface area it has. You'll notice the turbos are like twice as much as the thin continuous rims. Cheapest one I found was husqvarna at 7.00 and change. That's cheaper even than harbor freight.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 03:31 AM

WOW, we're really all the way to page #536 with this thread? I've certainly missed a lot... Although based on the tone of what little I can see merely on this page and the last, not a lot appears to have changed... Hmm...

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 03:59 AM

View Postscowl, on 01 March 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

I thought maybe I could take my chunk of granite and drop it on a material that is actually piezoelectric. That should cause stress/acceleration/amplification.

But zoser warned me to beware of radiation since granite is a highly active material.
Which is why you sand it down to a shape similar to a bat.  The radiation you inhale via that process, well, don't make me angry.  You wouldn't like me when I'm angry...

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:01 AM

View Postzoser, on 02 March 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

This is total evidence of ancient high technology.

A saw cut in granite.

Poor oaf obviously lacked a rock melter.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:27 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 02 March 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

Lol, shall I send you a pair of glasses??

Oh, you mean a sketch depicting those AA working stone?

I thought he meant a comedy sketch.  Maybe Carol Burnett?

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:33 AM

View PostHarte, on 03 March 2013 - 03:59 AM, said:

Which is why you sand it down to a shape similar to a bat.  The radiation you inhale via that process, well, don't make me angry.  You wouldn't like me when I'm angry...

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And you hold the illusion that we like you when you are not angry?

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 08:43 AM

View PostOniomancer, on 03 March 2013 - 01:56 AM, said:

I mean just plain gluing it on, no matrix. The AE had access to several tree resins, bitumen and hide glue.

Flint was widely used by the AE as well. Stocks describes a flint chisel discovered during an excavation and several experiments conducted with a replica. I believe he goes into the problem of debris.

Natural adhesives and metal won't go very far, the binding strength required to make it work just isn't possible. Better to stick with free inserted/addition of fluid abrasive material to help the blade along. Copper and bronze just isn't the metal suitable for this. If copper is just what was available then :

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Copper was the first metal in common use for tools and containers since it is one of the few metals available in non-oxidized form, not requiring the smelting of an ore. Copper is easily softened by heating and then cooling (it does not harden by quenching, as in cool water). In this annealed state it may then be hammered, stretched and otherwise formed, progressing toward the desired final shape, but becoming harder and less ductile as work progresses. If work continues beyond a certain hardness the metal will tend to fracture when worked and so it may be re-annealed periodically as the shape progresses. Annealing is stopped when the workpiece is near its final desired shape, and so the final product will have a desired stiffness and hardness. The technique of repoussé exploits these properties of copper, enabling the construction of durable jewelry articles and sculptures (including the Statue of Liberty).
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That depends on what you consider small. http://www.palagems...._mogok5_pt2.htm 5th picture down. Note the 4th too while you're at it.
One would assume caution would be exercised in it's use. Since they're holding the saw frame though and there also appears to be some slack, there actually seems to be relatively little danger of it snapping back.

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I read it took three days of three shifts per twenty four hours day which sounds about right, that's about the limit to the size of it, not so sure about the type of rock though, they probably work at a different pace and care considering the value of their crafted material.

I am curious about the 'carborundum mixed with oil' , synthesized compound or chemical formulas and what kind of oil ?

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:32 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 02 March 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

I don't blame zoser for getting excited , that is an impressive cut in the stone that is , conventional saws would get stuck more often than not that deep in the stone

Agreed.

It's not about getting excited.  It's about how the cut was not made.

Saws do not produce variable thickness like this.

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Completely rules out any sawing technique.  Not that they were able to do it by sawing anyway,

They had no material that could do this to granite, nor has any been found.

This is exactly what it appears to be.

A cut using unknown technology; most likely sound.  The force or energy emitted by the tool diminishes with depth according to natural principles explaining why the cut is wider at the top than the bottom.

A saw just would not do that.  The teeth of a copper saw would wear to nothing very rapidly and it would become blunt causing anything but a tapering thickness.

I still assert the hypothesis is proven.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:35 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 02 March 2013 - 08:12 PM, said:

Don't worry: Zoser will 'forget' about that post right after he reads it, heh.

The most important line from that post is this one:

The reported chemical analysis of these metal pours is 95.15% copper 2.05% arsenic, 1.70% nickel, .84% silicon and .26% iron.

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It was hard alright. It wasn't just copper as Zoser keeps repeating.


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I will keep repeating as long as you keep posting absurd, irrelevant,  non-sensical and impractical arguments.

Deal?

So back to the nitty gritty as they say,

Unless it can be demonstrated that the above cut was done with a conventional saw, producing decreasing cut width, then the idea is just dellusion.

Then where is the material evidence?

You maintain that the work was recent (500 years).  The evidence should be around or in some archaeological museum or at least reported in some chronicle.  So where is it?

I maintain that the work is far more ancient however.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:45 AM

Another image showing how the cut width reduces to wafer thin:

The thinner the saw, the faster it wears.  The theory of a saw is defeated by natural reason.

Again you never looked at the evidence Abe.  Just like the chemical theory.  It was never going to work because it doesn't match the evidence.

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Unless you guys address the evidence properly there is little point in the discussion.

If you put your minds to the problem seriously instead of trying to dream up fantastic unworkable ideas, you may get to the truth of how it was done.

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