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#136    Frank Merton

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:29 PM

The reality is there is little honor among nations and they can all find legal or rhetorical excuses for almost anything and there is no court with standing.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:37 PM

View Postand then, on 09 April 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

I agree that Hitler's ambitions to the east helped the US and Britain immensely.  I wonder how long it would have been before Stalin did the same thing even if AH had kept their treaty though.  Anyway, the object lesson I took from it all is there's no honor among thieves and appeasement just doesn't work.  Bullies will never stop until forced to stop IMO.

I'm not sure to be honest, Stalin was told months before that Hitler was planning it and he never even believed his spies. Seems he actually valued their alliance. Even though Hitler believed they where sub human as well. He got a shock from them though. lol


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:02 PM

View Postand then, on 09 April 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

I agree that Hitler's ambitions to the east helped the US and Britain immensely.  I wonder how long it would have been before Stalin did the same thing even if AH had kept their treaty though.  Anyway, the object lesson I took from it all is there's no honor among thieves and appeasement just doesn't work.  Bullies will never stop until forced to stop IMO.
Stalin? Stalin never had any ambition to invade anyone, least of all France and Britain. That was why he was so willing to believe Hitler & Ribbentrop.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:08 PM

* well, ok, except perhaps Finland. And Lithuania, Latvia & Estonia. But that was all. :unsure2:  In any case the reason he annexed them (the latter three, anyway) was because he wanted to build a buffer between himself & potential aggressors, e.g. Germany. And the UK actually seriously considered taking up Arms against Russia in solidarity with the plucky Finns. Which would have been really confusing once hitler invaded Russia, & Finaland then found itself an ally of Germany. But we seem to be diversifying again. :unsure2:

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:19 PM

Well North Korea has told all foreigners they should leave South Korea for their own protection. Naturally everyone is ignoring them.


As for unification I'm sure the South likes the idea but they're not going to accept it until there are some major overhauls in the North. Unification would completely destroy the Korean economy.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:38 AM

China closed its border to tourists or the other way around. The China/ North Korea border is shut.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:43 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 09 April 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

* well, ok, except perhaps Finland. And Lithuania, Latvia & Estonia. But that was all. :unsure2:  In any case the reason he annexed them (the latter three, anyway) was because he wanted to build a buffer between himself & potential aggressors, e.g. Germany. And the UK actually seriously considered taking up Arms against Russia in solidarity with the plucky Finns. Which would have been really confusing once hitler invaded Russia, & Finaland then found itself an ally of Germany. But we seem to be diversifying again. :unsure2:
You may be correct, but he sure took advantage of the situation once the die were cast against him :w00t:

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:48 AM

View PostCorp, on 09 April 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

Well North Korea has told all foreigners they should leave South Korea for their own protection. Naturally everyone is ignoring them.


As for unification I'm sure the South likes the idea but they're not going to accept it until there are some major overhauls in the North. Unification would completely destroy the Korean economy.
I thought the same thing might happen to Germany.  The Koreans might make a go of it in a few years just as Germany did BUT, China isn't going to easily allow a strong, western style democracy that is well armed to sit on their border.  That's why I blame the Chinese more than the Norks on this whole mess.  They've been using NK for years as a "bad dog" in the region - they need to feed their dog and make it stop barking.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:12 AM

If this happens it's bad, not because of a nuke strike, I would expect an NK nuke to end up in the sea or land back on themselves like a looney toons cartoon. I'm worried about China and Russia. There is now way China will allow

View PostCorp, on 09 April 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:


As for unification I'm sure the South likes the idea but they're not going to accept it until there are some major overhauls in the North. Unification would completely destroy the Korean economy.


So the media says.

I wouldn't listen to anything they say when the Federal reserve set up the South Korean central bank.

They don't own the North Korean central bank.....


Also Sanctions make a country poor. Look at Iran. My friend is Persian and he lives in the Netherlands now as he is studying there and he is in serious money trouble as his dad can't even send him money for Uni because of the sanctions on top of that the Iranian money is worthless outside Iran also because of the sanctions. So of course NK's economy is bad. lol

Why does nobody realise that sanctions is a declaration of war?!

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:15 PM

View Postjesspy, on 10 April 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

China closed its border to tourists or the other way around. The China/ North Korea border is shut.

If that's true then North Korea has just basically shut down their economy. Given how dependent NK is on China I doubt the border will be closed for long.


View Postand then, on 10 April 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

I thought the same thing might happen to Germany.  The Koreans might make a go of it in a few years just as Germany did BUT, China isn't going to easily allow a strong, western style democracy that is well armed to sit on their border.  That's why I blame the Chinese more than the Norks on this whole mess.  They've been using NK for years as a "bad dog" in the region - they need to feed their dog and make it stop barking.

Well it would have some benefit for China. They do a lot of business with SK, they wouldn't need to worry about staring North Koreans slipping across the border, and it would take away America's reason for having troops in Korea. I'm sure they'd much rather have a buffer state but given how out of control NK is they might be reconsidering things. Also compared to NK East Germany was an economic powerhouse. A unified Korea would be much worst off than Germany was.


View PostCoffey, on 10 April 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

So the media says.

I wouldn't listen to anything they say when the Federal reserve set up the South Korean central bank.

They don't own the North Korean central bank.....


Also Sanctions make a country poor. Look at Iran. My friend is Persian and he lives in the Netherlands now as he is studying there and he is in serious money trouble as his dad can't even send him money for Uni because of the sanctions on top of that the Iranian money is worthless outside Iran also because of the sanctions. So of course NK's economy is bad. lol

Why does nobody realise that sanctions is a declaration of war?!

North Korea barely has a bank. They need to use a barter system in their trade with China. And as much as you want to blame the US for everything the facts say otherwise. Try and look past your bias and paranoia and actually look into the history of the Korean situation. The only one that is to blame for the situation in North Korea, is North Korea. They could have had normal relations with the world. They could have had a better economy. South Korea tried in the 90's to repair relations with the North. Their current President wants to improve relations. They help run a factory that injects millions into the NK economy. The US, you know the guys who you claim are to blame for people starving, send thousands of tons of food in an effort to help NK fight their famines. However North Korea decided that they didn't want peace. They broke off relations with South Korea. They insulted their new president. They shut down the factory that was helping them. They have repeatedly threatened to target civilian populations and are trying to get nuclear weapons. They are the ones who want to unite Korea through force.

If North Korea would just back off on their quest for nukes they would be in far better shape. But their leaders don't want that because it would threaten their hold over their population. It would threaten their personal power. Everything that you are afraid of Western governments doing to their people, North Korea is currently doing to their own population. All the underhanded foreign policies you claim the West is undertaking, North Korea is quite openly expressing a desire to do. And you're taking their side! The most oppressive and outright evil government in the world and you're defending them.

The mind boggles.

Edited by Corp, 10 April 2013 - 05:19 PM.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:45 PM

View PostCorp, on 10 April 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

And as much as you want to blame the US for everything the facts say otherwise. Try and look past your bias and paranoia

What a stupid comment.

I don't blme the US for everything at all, I just know the US government aren't always the "good guys"  like Iraq which is proven
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I'm neither biased or paranoid. If I was biased i wouldn't dislike NK obviously.

Paranoid? lol Yeah this is paranoia:



It's called fact.

The SK  central bank was set up by the federal reserve... another fact.

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In this situation, discussions raged across the country on establishing a central bank for the Republic of Korea and Dr. A. I. Bloomfield, dispatched from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, drafted the Bank of Korea Act.
Based on this draft, the Bank of Korea Act was passed in May 1950 and the Bank launched its operations as a central bank on June 12, 1950. It was given a wide range of functions in relation to monetary & financial policy, bank supervision, and foreign exchange policy.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Bank_of_Korea


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 07:54 PM

View PostCoffey, on 10 April 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

So the media says.

I wouldn't listen to anything they say when the Federal reserve set up the South Korean central bank.


They don't own the North Korean central bank.....

And a fine job they've made of the economy without it.

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Also Sanctions make a country poor.
Having a paranoid, fanatical and hopelessly inept Government doesn't help.

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Look at Iran.
Exactly.

Unless you really do believe that they'd both be prosperous, thriving democracies if it wasn't for the nasty US Sanctions?

Edited by Colonel Rhuairidh, 10 April 2013 - 07:54 PM.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:07 PM

View PostCoffey, on 10 April 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

What a stupid comment.

I don't blme the US for everything at all, I just know the US government aren't always the "good guys"  like Iraq which is proven
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I'm neither biased or paranoid. If I was biased i wouldn't dislike NK obviously.

Paranoid? lol Yeah this is paranoia:



It's called fact.

The SK  central bank was set up by the federal reserve... another fact.



http://en.wikipedia....i/Bank_of_Korea


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Which doesn't have a damn thing to do with the current situation. Just because the Fed help set up the Bank of South Korea doesn't mean there's some wild plot to take over banks in North Korea. Again the fact is that North Korea has driven their own country into the ground and they are the ones throwing around threats and are causing this latest crisis. Full stop. Anything else is nothing more than conspiracy theories.

And of course the US aren't always the good guys, but to side with North Korea shows a disconnection from reality.Castro, who has every reason to hate the US, is blaming North Korea for causing so much trouble. If he can see the reality of the situation why can't you?

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:11 PM

North Korea would be much more violent if there was no sanctions


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:37 PM

View PostCorp, on 10 April 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

Which doesn't have a damn thing to do with the current situation. Just because the Fed help set up the Bank of South Korea doesn't mean there's some wild plot to take over banks in North Korea. Again the fact is that North Korea has driven their own country into the ground and they are the ones throwing around threats and are causing this latest crisis. Full stop. Anything else is nothing more than conspiracy theories.

And of course the US aren't always the good guys, but to side with North Korea shows a disconnection from reality.Castro, who has every reason to hate the US, is blaming North Korea for causing so much trouble. If he can see the reality of the situation why can't you?


I never once sided with NK.... lol

My post was nothing to do with NK, it was proving to you that it's not a conspiracy theory about bankers it's a fact.


View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 10 April 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

North Korea would be much more violent if there was no sanctions

I disagree completely.


Sanctions are a declaration of war. They always have been.

Edited by Coffey, 10 April 2013 - 08:38 PM.

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