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[AquilaChrysaetos]

Orcseeker, on 24 February 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

I think what you're meant to say here is that you believe you are more superior than atheists.

Please don't put words in my mouth to support your false assumptions.

[Orcseeker]

AquilaChrysaetos, on 26 February 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

Please don't put words in my mouth to support your false assumptions.

Then don't make false generalisations.

[AquilaChrysaetos]

Orcseeker, on 26 February 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

Then don't make false generalisations.

I was actually quite specific, and to my knowledge made no offensive remarks to any atheist viewers. If I did so, then please explain to me because I honestly cannot see it. Also, to justify your own falsehoods in being dependent upon statements you assume to be false is not only a self admitted falsehood, but an obvious expression of blatant negativity whose sole purpose is to belittle another. I did not belittle atheism, and if it appeared so in some way I cannot see it. So rest assured that was not my intent. You ran off with a false assumption of my message, and in doing so responded negatively in an unnecessary offense.

The only possible assumption I can find, is when I say that atheists are purely physical, which is not my personal belief, but the belief epressed by atheists themselves. If an atheist believes in a soul or afterlife, then they are no longer an atheist of any kind. That is not my doctrine but theirs. Therefore my statement was not meant as demeaning but was simply informative so the reader could understand.

I expressed a specific view of mine concerning God, which had nothing to do with atheists. So please, as I expressed, do not draw false conclusions.

[the eternal me]

now now....
we all have our ways of seeing things...

back to the basics of how we grew up and the environment in which that took place...

there are those that have a hard life from the get go...
and those among them that seek some kind of explanation as to why such things would befall upon a person.... a child...

even within the same household.. 2 siblings can find their way through life with very different views...
having the same genetics... and the same environment...

it comes down to what makes sense to you...

things that don’t make sense at the time get "rationalised" into what may resonate with the child...

if the child is curious about things like science and technology....
then that is the path they will seek answers...
if the child is connected in heart and feelings....
then the science aspect wont make as much sense...

and another way will be sought to explain...

being children.... we adopt some of the ways of seeing things and they way we look at things from the people we bond and connect to...
and some of their beliefs and ways of seeing things rub off on the child...

having a balance of both aspects would be ideal... but seldom is the case...

the argument between spiritual people and atheists will not end any time soon...
that is a given...

to argue the semantics of words.... well.... all we do when we start to get caught in arguments like this is to show past wounds...
past conflicts that have not settled and come to peace in the self...
after all... if we could all come to peace with our pasts and all that happened...

then there would be no need for the psychology field...

even people like Socrates, and Aristotle...
they had debates and long discussions on the on the merits of actions based on the psychological reactions and differences amongst people...


the original question could have been put in a way more clear....

if you believe in this person or not...
what you ask them...
if you were face to face with this person....

this was not meant to get back into the debate of weather there is a god or not...

that is a completely personal thing to each of us....

each of us with our own perceptions of how things are... and how things came to be...
to make assumptions on what another may think or believe is useless...
it only serves to fuel a fight....
and the only reason to fight is because of something inside the self that feel they have something to prove...

self doubt... insecurities.... trouble dealing with problems...
the list goes on in psychological studies....

but that is not why we are here.....

we are hear reading this thread to talk and share....
laugh and think.....

if a post makes you laugh or think....
then there is merit to it....

and that’s what i was after....

laughter...... and expressing the thoughts of how we can make things better for ourselves....

[the eternal me]

with there being so many differing opinions on this person....
of what they should be..... and how they should act....

its only expectations that you hold within yourself....

placing another on a pedestal....
as we all know... the only way from a pedestal is down....

so having expectations of what and who this person may be?

will inevitably lead to disappointment....

such was the doubt of the religious leaders of the time of Christ....
they had expectations...

and when they met this man that did not live up to those expectations....
they turned on him....

can each of you see how in this day and age....
there are a multitude of expectations from a multitude of people that don’t agree?

so..... if this person was on the streets talking to people....

who would recognise this person?

[Frank Merton]

I'd like to repeat myself on this business of whether an atheist has to be a "materialist" (the more modern word would be "physicalist") meaning thinking that there is nothing except physical stuff in existence.

The two ideas are independent of each other.  One can believe in God but think he's physical, one can also not believe in God but think there are non-physical aspects of existence.

[the eternal me]

i myself don’t believe in a biblical "god" ....

i am more in the middle of the road in a lot of ways...

there is the scientific aspect i find fascinating.....
but i also have my experiences which defy science...

so where does that leave me?

i like the idea that everything is mostly empty space.... and that everything is nothing more then energy in different states...

so.... everything is nothing more then an ocean of energy....

but we think.....

and because we think.....

that energy takes the form that we would like to see it in....
thereby creating what we experience...

and we share with others what we create.... and share experiences in the ocean of energy...

creating all kinds of marvellous things, but also horrid things as well...

those creations are the thoughts manifest....

call it what you will...

it gets explained in one school of thought as causality....
one thing acts upon another.... and third thing takes place by actions....
atheist....

no less valid in any way....

in another school of thought....
the intent gets put out there....
and that intent acts upon the energy to manifest itself....

causality at work.... but also.... it works in the aspect of being explained by faith...

faith is more then just "believing something" ....

it is a knowing....

choosing to say "I have faith it will work" .... vs .... "it will work because of this and that and the other thing"....
really is neither here nor there...

it will work because you believe it will....

no point in arguing on exactly why it will...
just know it will...

and allow others to explain and understand in the manner that is best suited to them....

[the eternal me]

to clarify a little more....

i believe that creator is the summation of all....

the ocean of energy in its entirety....

i like this way of thinking... it gives merit to everybody...
and the way they see things...

Edited by the eternal me, 26 February 2013 - 09:44 AM.

[Orcseeker]

AquilaChrysaetos, on 26 February 2013 - 02:35 AM, said:

I was actually quite specific, and to my knowledge made no offensive remarks to any atheist viewers. If I did so, then please explain to me because I honestly cannot see it. Also, to justify your own falsehoods in being dependent upon statements you assume to be false is not only a self admitted falsehood, but an obvious expression of blatant negativity whose sole purpose is to belittle another. I did not belittle atheism, and if it appeared so in some way I cannot see it. So rest assured that was not my intent. You ran off with a false assumption of my message, and in doing so responded negatively in an unnecessary offense.

The only possible assumption I can find, is when I say that atheists are purely physical, which is not my personal belief, but the belief epressed by atheists themselves. If an atheist believes in a soul or afterlife, then they are no longer an atheist of any kind. That is not my doctrine but theirs. Therefore my statement was not meant as demeaning but was simply informative so the reader could understand.

I expressed a specific view of mine concerning God, which had nothing to do with atheists. So please, as I expressed, do not draw false conclusions.

An atheist can be spiritual, that does not go against his/her beliefs. Not all completely physical as you contend. You seem to misunderstand what an athiest is completely while completely misrepresenting their views.

An atheist can believe in a soul or afterlife. More misinformation being spread...

An atheist: Someone who does not believe in any form of dieties.

That's it, they can believe in whatever else they like!

As for myself, I opened up my spiritual nature to what may feel alien, but at the same time, we are a part of it and made of it, the universe. Yet I'm an atheist.

The fact is, if I were dropped into this earth just solely myself and there was no one else, the concept of God wouldn't exist as I have only heard it from others as it stands now. I haven't been contacted spiritually or physically at all by any fantastical entity. And to have no concept of such while by myself would not be considered fair or right. Do I still get to burn in hell? Or is it my responsibility to conceptualise the existence of a God and then try to connect to him through means by opening up my spiritual nature as you say?

[third_eye]

the eternal me, on 26 February 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

to clarify a little more....

i believe that creator is the summation of all....

the ocean of energy in its entirety....

i like this way of thinking... it gives merit to everybody...
and the way they see things...

greetings master
~ I bow ~

[the eternal me]

the L, on 19 February 2013 - 10:28 PM, said:

Whats your opinion on fathers who leave their kids to be raised on their own or by the street?

this question has been sitting in the back of my mind....
not bugging me... but i keep coming back to it....

i could get into a lot about all kinds of things...

different belief systems...

psychology of such decisions....

what’s your opinion?

what i think is of little consequence....

what jesus would think is of little consequence....

what is it that you think?

i had written a bunch of stuff.... read back over it....
and found i had really gone nowhere with it...

share with us what you feel about this question....

i feel you chose this question because something rings with you.....

perhaps in sharing and talking about it you may find insight...

Edited by the eternal me, 28 February 2013 - 08:14 AM.