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#46    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 11:40 PM

View Postpallidin, on 07 September 2013 - 11:39 PM, said:

That's it.

Assad... YOU'RE FIRED.
Obama... YOU'RE FIRED
Putin... YOU'RE FIRED
China's whomever... YOU'RE FIRED

Pick-up your last paycheck and GO AWAY.
There, I feel better now.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 11:55 PM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 07 September 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Who didnt do bad things in history? Italians? Brittish?

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I can't catch the tone of your post: are you ironic or serious?

All countries did the worst things possible during (not only) wartime, none excluded.
British have been terrible (just ask any of their former colonies), and Italians too.
The sentence "italiani brava gente" ("Italians good people") is a myth: we had our part of rapes and murders, expecially during our "colonialist period" in Libya, Somalia, Eritrea and Ethiopia.


View PostYamato, on 07 September 2013 - 11:00 PM, said:

Yeah Putin is itching for a fight, not Obama.  Talk about revisionist history!   Talk about double standards! I think some of us have a very selective attention span towards what Putin has been saying about this crisis in aggregate.   It's the side-pickers and political apologists and blind deniers of what could "never" happen who are going to serve as the fools who allow a much wider conflict to break out.   ****g shame.

Since Putin is not believable, especially if he erects himself as defender of peace, it's normal that people mocks him.
Are you implying that Putin doesn't want a war because "it's wrong"?

If I understood right your post, then to me the one with double standards is you.
It's obvious that Obama wants to bomb Syria (leave apart the real reasons), but it's also true that Putin wants his part of action too (and he wants it sooo badly)!


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 11:59 PM

It was ironic. Everyone have their dark moments.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 12:07 AM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 07 September 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

well they certinally ally them self with " rapists and piilaging and all other crimes against humanity "
done by dictators .. magically we find russia backing those dictators always

i wonder if it's moral issue or political issue .. or just stupid policy
regardless of which .. in syria russia is on losing side
because they're not only declared war on rebels .. russia declared war on all syrian peoples

To be fair, not all the dictators: many have been backed up by US, not Russia.

We're semantic here, but Russia is backing the Syrian Government, so, for extention, is backing Syrian people, I didn't read anywhere that they declared war on rebels.

Anyway, I hope everything will be fine in Syria as soon as possible, with as little as possibile of victims. And that the country will be able to be guided by a moderate, non-islamic party (that's more for my concern, I admit)

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 07 September 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

It was ironic. Everyone have their dark moments.

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Agreed!


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 12:09 AM

Here is one song for all you war seekers.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 12:20 AM

View PostParsec, on 08 September 2013 - 12:07 AM, said:



Anyway, I hope everything will be fine in Syria as soon as possible, with as little as possibile of victims. And that the country will be able to be guided by a moderate, non-islamic party (that's more for my concern, I admit)


Logicly. Look Egypt. Look Libya.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 12:28 AM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 08 September 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:

Logicly. Look Egypt. Look Libya.

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Look Iraq. Look Afghanistan.
No good examples!

For this reason, let's all hope for the best


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:00 AM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 07 September 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

Please this statement is wrong on so many levelS that I wont even try to give counter argument.

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No, it's actually quite accurate..

The Russians crucified Germany because Russia lost the most people out of any country..

Except for maybe Germany..

View PostParsec, on 07 September 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:


You mean that since it's one week old it's not valid anymore?
Of course he's angry about Olympics, and the excuse he needs/wants for disposing of the problem is called Syria (since it looks like it's also the cause of the threat).
Consider that Putin is like Robet De Niro's character in "Taxi Driver". "You talking to me?"
"Are you threatening me? I wipe you out"



I never said anything about it being invalid?

Literally all I said is that it was a week old. That's all; I literally only pointed out the date - August 27th.

That's called an observation.. Please don't put words in my mouth... I don't mean to be rude.

Geopolitical ties are messy.. Syria is a Russian ally; they're a regional political 'interest'.

They might be looking for excuses - they might not be..

Either way, conventional warfare is probably not likely..

Proxy warfare is.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:57 AM

I'm not sure that a Commander in Chief Joe Biden will provide much reason for celebration.  I'm also not sure what blame China has in any of this.  They didn't go along with Obama's missile adventures in the UN.  If that's their only contribution I'd say their record is unblemished so far.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 05:24 AM

View Postpallidin, on 07 September 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

Just some thoughts...

I know that the use of chemical weapons is a serious violation no matter where. OK. Fine.

What I don't understand is why Putin doesn't go in and put a stop(or effective mitigation) to the escalating, morphing madness in Syria.

This is his problem, and that of the UN, not unilaterally that of the United States. Putin should be the one asking for our or other's help(if needed) to secure, remove and dispose of those chemical weapons, not the other way around.

Why Putin does not seem to feel this to be a serious matter simply baffles me.
He is enjoying watching Obama squirm I think.  He realizes that Syria will not strike Israel or the US but also knows that a quagmire awaits us when we act or even if we don't act.  Russia will not inject itself militarily into this situation.  They will sit aside, stirring the pot.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 04:58 PM

View PostYamato, on 08 September 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

I'm also not sure what blame China has in any of this.  They didn't go along with Obama's missile adventures in the UN.  If that's their only contribution I'd say their record is unblemished so far.

I'm not sure either, other than I think that, as a Syrian ally, they should be actively participating in some sort of solution to the incredible instability of that country.

To be fair, maybe they are and I just haven't heard about it.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 07:14 PM

If Russia actually starts a war with the Saudi Arabia they will probably go bankrupt (again), their economy isn't exactly booming and it's getting worse. By contrast Saudi Arabia is one of the richest countries in the world and they have access to the same weapons and technology the EU and US do. It wouldn't be a "massive strike" for very long.

Edited by Finity, 08 September 2013 - 07:17 PM.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 07:49 PM

View Postand then, on 08 September 2013 - 05:24 AM, said:

He is enjoying watching Obama squirm I think.  He realizes that Syria will not strike Israel or the US but also knows that a quagmire awaits us when we act or even if we don't act.  Russia will not inject itself militarily into this situation.  They will sit aside, stirring the pot.

In the time Obama has spent looking for a way out of his red line gaff,Putin has probably been flying in Military aid and Supplies to prop him up.Anyone who thinks Assad is going to fall anytime soon(including Obama) are living in cloud cuckoo land frankly.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:16 PM

View Postshaddow134, on 08 September 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

In the time Obama has spent looking for a way out of his red line gaff,Putin has probably been flying in Military aid and Supplies to prop him up.Anyone who thinks Assad is going to fall anytime soon(including Obama) are living in cloud cuckoo land frankly.
I think that even the Israelis prefer Assad to the alternative.  As to the OP - no way Putin attacks S.A.  America would be just as quick (maybe more) to come to the Kingdom's aid as we would Israel's.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:52 PM

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