Jump to content




Welcome to Unexplained Mysteries! Please sign in or create an account to start posting and to access a host of extra features.


- - - - -

GOP activists: Why isn't Romney ahead?


  • Please log in to reply
219 replies to this topic

#76    preacherman76

preacherman76

    Humble Servent

  • Member
  • 10,903 posts
  • Joined:16 Jul 2007
  • Gender:Not Selected
  • Location:Parts Unknown

Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:18 PM

View Postjoc, on 26 September 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:

No he doesn't.

Sure he does. Openly. This is not opinion, its a fact. Did you watch any of the GOP debates?

Some things are true, even if you dont believe them.

#77    Merc14

Merc14

    anti-woo magician

  • Member
  • 5,359 posts
  • Joined:03 Mar 2011
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Virginia, USA

Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:37 PM

CBS posted a poll that has Obama leading Romney by 10 points in Ohio.  OK, CBS is laughably in the bag for Obama an they are a true embarrassment to journalism but lets put all that aside and take this poll at face value.   My question for all you dems is, if Obama is ahead by 10 points in Ohio, why in the hell is he still botherng to campaign there?  He is short money yet he still has a huge staff in Ohio and is wasting time visiting the state.  Why?

It makes no sense because he is behind just 5 points in NC but has, for alll intents and purposes, pulled out of the state and given up.  Hmm, so being behind by 5 means stop wasting money yet being ahead by 10 means keep spending money and touring the state?  How does that work? :unsure2:

Edited by Merc14, 26 September 2012 - 04:39 PM.

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

#78    questionmark

questionmark

    Cinicus Magnus

  • Member
  • 35,595 posts
  • Joined:26 Jun 2007
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Greece and Des Moines, IA

  • In a flat world there is an explanation to everything.

Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:39 PM

View PostMerc14, on 26 September 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

CBS posted a poll that has Obama leading Romney by 10 points.  OK, CBS is laughably in the bag for Obama.  They are a true embarrassment to journalism but lets put all that aside and take this poll at face value.   My question is for al you dems is if Obama is ahead by 10 points in Ohio, why in the hell is he still botherng to campaign there?  He is short money yet he has a huge staff in Ohio and is wasting time visiting the state.  Why?

It makes no sense because he is behind jut 5 points in NC but has, for alll intents and purposes, pulled out of the state and given up.  Hmm, so being behind by 5 means stop wasting money yet being ahead by 10 means keep spending money and touring the state?  How does that work? :unsure2:

If you read the campaign money thread I posted: Nobody is short of money, they just want to spend more.

A skeptic is a well informed believer and a pessimist a well informed optimist
The most dangerous views of the world are from those who have never seen it. ~ Alexander v. Humboldt
If you want to bulls**t me please do it so that it takes me more than a minute to find out

about me

#79    Merc14

Merc14

    anti-woo magician

  • Member
  • 5,359 posts
  • Joined:03 Mar 2011
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Virginia, USA

Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:47 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 26 September 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

If you read the campaign money thread I posted: Nobody is short of money, they just want to spend more.

Oh, ok that is why Obama is doing more fund raisers than any president in history.  Whatever, answer the question: why is he bothering with Ohio if he is up 10 points?

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

#80    Wookietim

Wookietim

    Alien Abducter

  • Member
  • 4,907 posts
  • Joined:16 Apr 2007
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Kirkland, WA

  • Search on the Android App Store for "Mothras Unexplained Mysteries" for the app I am very proud of...

Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:51 PM

View PostMerc14, on 26 September 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

Oh, ok that is why Obama is doing more fund raisers than any president in history.  Whatever, answer the question: why is he bothering with Ohio if he is up 10 points?

Because Ohio has a lot of electoral votes and is a traditional battleground state.

Why is it so suspicious to you that a candidate might campaign hard in battleground states?


#81    questionmark

questionmark

    Cinicus Magnus

  • Member
  • 35,595 posts
  • Joined:26 Jun 2007
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Greece and Des Moines, IA

  • In a flat world there is an explanation to everything.

Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:52 PM

View PostMerc14, on 26 September 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

Oh, ok that is why Obama is doing more fund raisers than any president in history.  Whatever, answer the question: why is he bothering with Ohio if he is up 10 points?

Because he wants to stay 10 points up or because he does not trust the pollsters or because he got a discount if he keeps putting up adverts until November.

One reason Romney is loosing is that he goes to the next battle when he believes that he got the state in the sack. Voters dislike that.

A skeptic is a well informed believer and a pessimist a well informed optimist
The most dangerous views of the world are from those who have never seen it. ~ Alexander v. Humboldt
If you want to bulls**t me please do it so that it takes me more than a minute to find out

about me

#82    Merc14

Merc14

    anti-woo magician

  • Member
  • 5,359 posts
  • Joined:03 Mar 2011
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Virginia, USA

Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:56 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 26 September 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

Because he wants to stay 10 points up or because he does not trust the pollsters or because he got a discount if he keeps putting up adverts until November.

One reason Romney is loosing is that he goes to the next battle when he believes that he got the state in the sack. Voters dislike that.

LMAO.

View PostWookietim, on 26 September 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

Because Ohio has a lot of electoral votes and is a traditional battleground state.

Why is it so suspicious to you that a candidate might campaign hard in battleground states?

Hmm well he is hardly spending a dime in NY and he isn't up 10 there so why Ohio and not NY?  Come on wookie, you are making it to easy for me.  :passifier:

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

#83    questionmark

questionmark

    Cinicus Magnus

  • Member
  • 35,595 posts
  • Joined:26 Jun 2007
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Greece and Des Moines, IA

  • In a flat world there is an explanation to everything.

Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:58 PM

View PostMerc14, on 26 September 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

LMAO.


Hmm well he is hardly spending a dime in NY and he isn't up 10 there so why Ohio and not NY?  Come on wookie, you are making it to easy for me.  :passifier:

Cause New York is not a battle state?

A skeptic is a well informed believer and a pessimist a well informed optimist
The most dangerous views of the world are from those who have never seen it. ~ Alexander v. Humboldt
If you want to bulls**t me please do it so that it takes me more than a minute to find out

about me

#84    Wookietim

Wookietim

    Alien Abducter

  • Member
  • 4,907 posts
  • Joined:16 Apr 2007
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Kirkland, WA

  • Search on the Android App Store for "Mothras Unexplained Mysteries" for the app I am very proud of...

Posted 26 September 2012 - 05:00 PM

View PostMerc14, on 26 September 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

Hmm well he is hardly spending a dime in NY and he isn't up 10 there so why Ohio and not NY?  Come on wookie, you are making it to easy for me.  :passifier:

Every presidential election there are certain states that are concentrated on - Florida, Virginia, Ohio, sometimes Pennsylvania and Nevada. In case you haven't noticed candidates concentrate on those states every time. Why do you find this so new and amazing? It's been like this for decades.


#85    Merc14

Merc14

    anti-woo magician

  • Member
  • 5,359 posts
  • Joined:03 Mar 2011
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Virginia, USA

Posted 26 September 2012 - 05:35 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 26 September 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Cause New York is not a battle state?

Battleground state simply means it can go either way but if you are up 10 points at 6 weeks out then the state would not be considered a battleground state.  The campaign, at 10 points ahead would spend maintenance money and do very few campaign events since there are some real battleground states (within 3-4 points) where you'd be spending those valauble campaign hours and dumping money like crazy.  

I am not saying that Obama will lose Ohio but it is my contention that Ohio is a helluva lot closer than 10% and the Obama campaign knows it which is the soul reason thhat he is doing multiple campaign stopns and spending huge sums of money.

All campaigns do internal polling where they don't putz around and base samples on an aberration turnout like 2008.  No sane perosn thinks that democrats have the same enthusiam they did in 2008 and will turn out is teh same numbers but that is what CBS did in their silly poll.  No, the campaign needs to know the real score based on realistic turnouts that reflect the real voter enthusiasm.  You use 2004 turnouts and maybe even 2010 which wil be a lot closer to reality.  When you use realistic turnout projections for sample size the picture changes in a drastic way and that is why Obama is spending lot's of time and lot's of money in Ohio.

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

#86    questionmark

questionmark

    Cinicus Magnus

  • Member
  • 35,595 posts
  • Joined:26 Jun 2007
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Greece and Des Moines, IA

  • In a flat world there is an explanation to everything.

Posted 26 September 2012 - 05:38 PM

View PostMerc14, on 26 September 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Battleground state simply means it can go either way but if you are up 10 points at 6 weeks out then the state would not be considered a battleground state.  The campaign, at 10 points ahead would spend maintenance money and do very few campaign events since there are some real battleground states (within 3-4 points) where you'd be spending those valauble campaign hours and dumping money like crazy.  

I am not saying that Obama will lose Ohio but it is my contention that Ohio is a helluva lot closer than 10% and the Obama campaign knows it which is the soul reason thhat he is doing multiple campaign stopns and spending huge sums of money.

All campaigns do internal polling where they don't putz around and base samples on an aberration turnout like 2008.  No sane perosn thinks that democrats have the same enthusiam they did in 2008 and will turn out is teh same numbers but that is what CBS did in their silly poll.  No, the campaign needs to know the real score based on realistic turnouts that reflect the real voter enthusiasm.  You use 2004 turnouts and maybe even 2010 which wil be a lot closer to reality.  When you use realistic turnout projections for sample size the picture changes in a drastic way and that is why Obama is spending lot's of time and lot's of money in Ohio.

The people of battleground states are not as simple as you think, if at some point they would start cheering and applauding for one candidate and that candidate goes somewhere else afterwards and they still cheer they have given their trump away that gets them lots of attention and lots of guv aid.

A skeptic is a well informed believer and a pessimist a well informed optimist
The most dangerous views of the world are from those who have never seen it. ~ Alexander v. Humboldt
If you want to bulls**t me please do it so that it takes me more than a minute to find out

about me

#87    Merc14

Merc14

    anti-woo magician

  • Member
  • 5,359 posts
  • Joined:03 Mar 2011
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Virginia, USA

Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:09 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 26 September 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

The people of battleground states are not as simple as you think, if at some point they would start cheering and applauding for one candidate and that candidate goes somewhere else afterwards and they still cheer they have given their trump away that gets them lots of attention and lots of guv aid.

Listen, Rasmussen has them 1 point apart using a more realistic sample of likely voters.  Obama's internals are showing a similar number.  That is why Obama is in Ohio campaigning and spending beau coup bucks.  That is the only reason.  CBS is polling with as ample that favors Democrats by 10% which is even greater tha the 2008 turnout so it is an absurd poill that is meant to do one thing and one thig only, depress republican enthusiasm.  It is sad really.

For all those that are trying to make sense of the polling and the campaign activities remember that campaigns DO NOT spend a lot of money or time in a state they are 10 points ahead in.   The reality is Obama is 1-2 points ahead and Romney has momentum, plus the independents don't decide til te hlast minute and they almost always go with teh challenger by 3-1 in a bad economy.  Obama's campaign knows this and they are very, very nervous.  They won Ohio by only 4% in 2008 (which makes the CBS poll look even more ludicrous) and the fact that it is a tossup just 6 weeks out means Obama will have to spend huge sums of money in a state he wasn't planning on battling in.  

That is the reality..  All the BS questionmark and wookie are posting regarding Ohio is just that, BS.  Just look at the facts and you'll see this.

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

#88    questionmark

questionmark

    Cinicus Magnus

  • Member
  • 35,595 posts
  • Joined:26 Jun 2007
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Greece and Des Moines, IA

  • In a flat world there is an explanation to everything.

Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:10 PM

View PostMerc14, on 26 September 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Listen, Rasmussen has them 1 point apart using a more realistic sample of likely voters.  Obama's internals are showing a similar number.  That is why Obama is in Ohio campaigning and spending beau coup bucks.  That is the only reason.  CBS is polling with as ample that favors Democrats by 10% which is even greater tha the 2008 turnout so it is an absurd poill that is meant to do one thing and one thig only, depress republican enthusiasm.  It is sad really.

For all those that are trying to make sense of the polling and the campaign activities remember that campaigns DO NOT spend a lot of money or time in a state they are 10 points ahead in.   The reality is Obama is 1-2 points ahead and Romney has momentum, plus the independents don't decide til te hlast minute and they almost always go with teh challenger by 3-1 in a bad economy.  Obama's campaign knows this and they are very, very nervous.  They won Ohio by only 4% in 2008 (which makes the CBS poll look even more ludicrous) and the fact that it is a tossup just 6 weeks out means Obama will have to spend huge sums of money in a state he wasn't planning on battling in.  

That is the reality..  All the BS questionmark and wookie are posting regarding Ohio is just that, BS.  Just look at the facts and you'll see this.

We will see.

A skeptic is a well informed believer and a pessimist a well informed optimist
The most dangerous views of the world are from those who have never seen it. ~ Alexander v. Humboldt
If you want to bulls**t me please do it so that it takes me more than a minute to find out

about me

#89    Harte

Harte

    Supremely Educated Knower of Everything in Existence

  • Member
  • 9,097 posts
  • Joined:06 Aug 2006
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Memphis

  • Skeptic

Posted 26 September 2012 - 07:19 PM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 18 September 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

So you forget who started bailing out the rich and creating war for profit not protection.

Once Iran nukes us via their proxies, you will eat those words.

Assuming you survive.

Harte

I've consulted all the sages I could find in yellow pages but there aren't many of them. - The Alan Parsons Project
Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong. - Thomas Jefferson
Giorgio's dying Ancient Aliens internet forum

#90    ninjadude

ninjadude

    Seeker of truths

  • Member
  • 11,047 posts
  • Joined:11 Sep 2006
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Illinois

  • "dirt collects at the interfaces"

Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:36 AM

View PostMerc14, on 26 September 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Listen, Rasmussen

Marc Rasmussen has been proven over and over again to be a biased poller. You should pay no attention.

"Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Begin it now!""
- Friedrich Nietzsche




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users