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#16    TheMacGuffin

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:51 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 12 January 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

Let me guess, you have imaginary closet full of imaginary undisclosed docs? Rrright...

Ok, gramps, show us it on radar data, will yea?

I have, but you never responded, except by saying that I refused to post anything or answer your questions.

I kinda gave up trying to talk to you after that because your motives were suspect.  You aren't really here to discuss UFO reports but to ridicule them.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:04 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 11 January 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

For example I've never heard or read a good explanation about how people could microwave the stems of plants making them lay down and form complex designs in fields using no light and making no sound in about 3 hours time,
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ok, microwave and leek ready, what shall I do next?
Make a crop circle of course. Then tell us how you did it. How you got power to the microwave generator, how you laid out the pattern in the field, how you applied the microwave energy to the stalks, and how you got the stalks to fall the way you wanted them to fall. Also how you either transported the microwave generator and its power supply around the field with you, or/and how you got power from it to whatever you used to apply it to the stalks. Or if you could do it but just "don't want to", tell us in detail how you would do all that if you did want to.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 11 January 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

That 'microwave' story has been debunked by someone who was actually a specialist in wheat. He explained it was done by simple bending the stems of the wheat and the knots on the wheat stems split open.
There is a great documentary on YouTube that will explain it all.
I don't have the link to that YouTube video right now, but if you try, you will find it.
I too like to believe that aliens did all this and a lot more, but up to now I have not seen any evidence of them being here and messing with our culture and other things.
And I have seen artists creating a crop circle, and the next day some so called 'researchers' came around, and told they could sense something 'unexplainable', an energy field of some sorts.
Since I've heard more that there has been microwaving done than that there has not, so far I still believe it. I have no doubt that some were done without microwaving btw, but if some were microwaved that's the significant thing and that guy didn't check every crop circle in the world to make sure none had been. Also I've no doubt humans make some crop circles. It's whether or not they make every one of them that's in question. The fact that humans are the only sapient beings on the planet is significant from my pov. If there were other sapient animals then we'd be in competition with them, and possibly have wars if they were strong enough to be a threat. They would also be another possibility in the formation of crop circles etc, and we'd be wondering if "they" were doing it trying to fool us. Fortunately for us, whether just by dumb luck or deliberate influence by other intelligent beings, we don't have other sapient creatures to wonder about and compete with. So if humans couldn't make some of the crop circles, there's no question about how *else* they could have been made. The same is true with the megaliths. It would have to be beings not only from a different planet, but from a different star system. That's also very significant. For years, up until as recently as the 1950s or something, people believed there were intelligent beings on other planets in this star system. People thought they could see cities etc on Mars. If there really were intelligent beings on Mars, don't you think by now we would be regularly going back and forth because it would have been a priority to start doing that? I do. To just go to a lifeless rock has some attraction, but not like it would if they had cities etc up there. By now we would certainly be trading music and video and text and some items, and there would probably be regular shipping lanes etc... So, that also means that in star systems where there IS intelligent life on more than one planet, they would be likely to develop space travel much faster than being in our position. So if we're living on a project planet, part of the test could be to see how fast or slow we work it out without there being other beings encouraging us to get on with it.

Do you have links to pics of the crop circle(s) you said you saw people making? How were they making them, and how did they lay out the pattern?


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:16 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 11 January 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

of course it could have happened.
of course, it could have not happened as well.
and in a discussion, we talk about both sides. If you want to only discuss how aliens came here . . . then you'll have to find another forum because you're always going to get a "well it could also be ..." posts here.
I'm talking about the 'it could only be' posts, and a lot of them can't say HOW it could only be humans because they can't say how humans could have done some of the things.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

To back up Mac-G on the Texas event in Stephenville It most cerntinally Happened ! And There were Air guard Jets in the air Looking for something,And yes there were eye wittnesses,and multi-sightings that night ! But Oil`s I can say IS It is texas afterall ! And That in a nutshell says it all ! Everything Is BIGGER in TEXAS !
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:20 PM

View PostPlanB, on 11 January 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

I'm open to the idea of ET visitation, even though there isn't any hard evidence, I admit to liking the idea and exploring the possibility.
Though I can't imagine them traversing millions of light years just to come make our wheat lay down all pretty.
I can't either. I can imagine them coming from some of the closer star systems though, and have no reason to believe they would not provide evidence with crop circles, and abductions, and displaying their air vehicles for people to see sometimes, etc... If they're helping the human race advance with the hopes of getting us in the position to be capable of thriving in space and possibly interacting with other beings in space and different star systems at some point in the future, then the direct interaction they had in the past and the megalithic structures they inspired and possibly helped build, and the "sightings" and crop circles and all that do make sense and seem like logical things for them to do from my pov. It lets us ease into the idea while at the same time we're developing the technology to make it possible.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 12 January 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

Yes.
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Thanks for clarifying. Imaginary files in the imaginary closet. Noted.

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 12 January 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

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I have, but you never responded, except by saying that I refused to post anything or answer your questions.
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Are you sure? Can you link your posts on Stephenville case I never responded? I could had missed them.


View PostTheMacGuffin, on 12 January 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

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I kinda gave up trying to talk to you after that because your motives were suspect.  You aren't really here to discuss UFO reports but to ridicule them.
...or because you have squat/zero/zilch/nada and none. Guess later, gramps.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:24 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 11 January 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

I don't care what any of the others on the forums think, since I have personal knowledge that ETs have been here for quite some time.  I have been attacked constantly and called every name in the book on here, but it has never shaken my story.
I learned about this when i was in the Army and that's all there is to it.  Over the years I have also seen enough evidence besides what I learned in the Army to convince me that we have quite a few "visitors".  I have posted much of this on here, so don't believe these people who say I have no evidence, since no one has posted more of it than me.
Whether the others believe me or not matters nothing to me, since I know what I'm talking about.
Some people say there is no evidence, even though the evidence is what's discussed most in this forum. How could people who don't believe there is any evidence, possibly distinguish between which evidence could actually be from xt influence and which evidence most likely is not?

I will say that until recently I myself believed xts could not be flying around in our atmosphere because I was confident they would be detected by radar so it couldn't be happening. But then after thinking it through if finally dawned on me that if beings are able to travel between star systems and have been doing it for thousands of years, surely they can control whether the electromagnetic radiation that comes in contact with their vehicles is reflected or absorbed, making radar useless except in situations where they have a malfunction or deliberately allow us to detect them.

Is there any evidence in particular you'd like to mention since I'm not familiar with anything you've presented?

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:38 PM

View Postnopeda, on 12 January 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

Make a crop circle of course. Then tell us how you did it. How you got power to the microwave generator, how you laid out the pattern in the field, how you applied the microwave energy to the stalks, and how you got the stalks to fall the way you wanted them to fall. Also how you either transported the microwave generator and its power supply around the field with you, or/and how you got power from it to whatever you used to apply it to the stalks. Or if you could do it but just "don't want to", tell us in detail how you would do all that if you did want to.
So i cant do it in my kitchen then? :cry:

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 03:54 AM

View Postnopeda, on 12 January 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

Some people say there is no evidence, even though the evidence is what's discussed most in this forum. How could people who don't believe there is any evidence, possibly distinguish between which evidence could actually be from xt influence and which evidence most likely is not?

I will say that until recently I myself believed xts could not be flying around in our atmosphere because I was confident they would be detected by radar so it couldn't be happening. But then after thinking it through if finally dawned on me that if beings are able to travel between star systems and have been doing it for thousands of years, surely they can control whether the electromagnetic radiation that comes in contact with their vehicles is reflected or absorbed, making radar useless except in situations where they have a malfunction or deliberately allow us to detect them.

Is there any evidence in particular you'd like to mention since I'm not familiar with anything you've presented?


Some people would say that they have been doing so for a very long time, and that they may not even require "ships" or "craft" as we would understand the time.

Just from things I have read and heard, I get the impression that the earth is not all that desirable a location, either environmentally or culturally, but a backward place, well off the beaten path, kind of the Botswana of the galaxy.

There are those who would even call it a zoo, a game preserve or a "prison planet".


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 04:50 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 11 January 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

I don't care what any of the others on the forums think, since I have personal knowledge that ETs have been here for quite some time.  I have been attacked constantly and called every name in the book on here, but it has never shaken my story.

I learned about this when i was in the Army and that's all there is to it.  Over the years I have also seen enough evidence besides what I learned in the Army to convince me that we have quite a few "visitors".  I have posted much of this on here, so don't believe these people who say I have no evidence, since no one has posted more of it than me.

Whether the others believe me or not matters nothing to me, since I know what I'm talking about.

I'd like to interject a question if I may. Since you claim to have "personal knowledge" that ET's have been here then can we assume that you've either seen and heard them firsthand yourself? Because that would be the only meaningful definition of "personal knowledge" IMO. Just looking for clarification.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 04:56 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 13 January 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

I'd like to interject a question if I may. Since you claim to have "personal knowledge" that ET's have been here then can we assume that you've either seen and heard them firsthand yourself? Because that would be the only meaningful definition of "personal knowledge" IMO. Just looking for clarification.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:07 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 13 January 2013 - 04:56 AM, said:

Yes, that's right.

Ooookay. That's not the impression one gets after reading your Post #25. It comes across more like you're going on hear-say from others' telling of events as well as your own speculation and not from anything remotely first-hand. My opinion, of course.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:14 AM

View Postnopeda, on 12 January 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

I'm talking about the 'it could only be' posts, and a lot of them can't say HOW it could only be humans because they can't say how humans could have done some of the things.
It could only be humans because we've no evidence anyone other then humans did it? that sort of thing?
Please feel free to show us something that incontrovertibly was done by someone who isn't human.


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:53 AM

So, McG, can you put link to your posts on Stephenville case I never responded, huh?
You  can't? Then its tap dance with consequential copping out?

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