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#16    Idano

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 11:44 AM

WHAT?!?!  The Catholic Church is covering something up??  Shocking.

What could possibly go wrong?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:16 PM

View PostRon Jeremy, on 19 September 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

The problem is that it IS a FOURTH CENTURY document, which is at least 300 years after the death of Jesus.

If we used that criteria then we wouldnt trust in Vikings saga neither.
Its just how religions works. We have examples in plenty religions.

View PostIdano, on 19 September 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

WHAT?!?!  The Catholic Church is covering something up??  Shocking.

Me too.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:17 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 19 September 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

All the canonical gospel after long after his death anyway. If he were real.

You see historians sees part of Bible as historical book. Can provide more info.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:18 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 19 September 2012 - 05:31 AM, said:

I sort of thought he was more interested in men.

Now thats hilarious and with intention to hurt feelings of believers.

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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:22 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 19 September 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

It is pretty much worthless without context, as Tiggs pointed out. Still interesting, though. More inline with the Gnostic gospels than the canonical ones.
Here are all the translated bits that I can find for those that are interested. (I do not know if this is the sum of the writing on the piece)

"'... not [to] me. My mother gave to me li[fe] ...'"
"The disciples said to Jesus, '..."
"deny. Mary is worthy of it" (Or: "deny. Mary is n[ot] worthy of it")
"...' Jesus said to them, 'My wife...'"
"... she will be able to be my disciple ..."
"Let wicked people swell up ..."
"As for me, I dwell with her in order to ..."
"an image"
"my moth[er]"
"three"
"forth which ..."

I think that is mistake in traslation. We would already hear about his wife in other texts.

Its like beging of Bible. "In the beging it was a word." (Logos on greek)
Erasmus translated Bible as "In the beging there was conversation." (Because Logos can mean and conversation)

Conversation with whom?

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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:47 PM

View PostlibstaK, on 19 September 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

I think that the "canon" would have a problem with it.  I wouldn't, it doesn't change the message just the Patriarchal dogmatics' interpretation of it.



I agree. Christs message is unaffected.
It does open up some interesting posibilities though......


"Jesus said to them, 'My wife and seven sons.........."

"Jesus said to them, 'My wife is a Roman you know?"

"Jesus said to them, 'My wife's father, Mr Abbas is coming over for dinner...."

Edited by Atlantia, 19 September 2012 - 12:48 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:51 PM

There is no significant way in which christ having a wife and kids detracts from any part of the bible or the significance of christ.  Nor his nature, nor the significance of his death, nor the possibility of his ressurection. Certainly it might offend some catholic views which evolved in the centuries after christ about women, sex and marriage.
I think it very probable that christ was married and perhaps had children, although many jewish men did not marry until they were reasonably old because they had to prove themselves capapble of providing for a wife and family.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:53 PM

View PostAtlantia, on 19 September 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:




I agree. Christs message is unaffected.
It does open up some interesting posibilities though......


"Jesus said to them, 'My wife and seven sons.........."

"Jesus said to them, 'My wife is a Roman you know?"

"Jesus said to them, 'My wife's father, Mr Abbas is coming over for dinner...."
"Jesus said to them, "My wife is an atheist and thinks I have a "God" complex ....." :P

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:57 PM

View PostlibstaK, on 19 September 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

"Jesus said to them, "My wife is an atheist and thinks I have a "God" complex ....." :P


LOL!!


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 01:03 PM

I think it's a load of rubbish ,If it were true how would that effect the "Trinity "would we have to change it to
The Quadrality " The Father The son  and the grandson and the holy spirit "

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 01:11 PM

View Postfullywired, on 19 September 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

I think it's a load of rubbish ,If it were true how would that effect the "Trinity "would we have to change it to
The Quadrality " The Father The son  and the grandson and the holy spirit "

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Wait ... where is the wife in that? Meh, The father, the Son, the holy spirit, the grandson and THE BOSS.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:11 PM

IT is all too Funny ! Guess who`s comming to Dinner ? I wrote that ! maybe we need to look a bit closer,or at least remember that everything has a price?


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:45 PM

Im Caholic and have no problem in accepting the fact that Jesus may have been married. The church however has a different view. The believe in Aliens but not the fact that Jesus might have married a woman. Remember he was born of woman. I have noticed that ALL religions focus around the MALE and his control over the female.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:09 PM

Wasn't Jesus, being a Jew, pretty much required by jewish law to be maried by a certain age?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:19 PM

Hmmm... why do I suspect that Christianism started as a Jewish sect that was hijacked by some misogynist and out came a new religion?

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