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[The_Spirit_of_Truth]

_Only, on 09 October 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

Who decides what is suitable or not? You, and your sole interpretation of the words?

There are general criteria (that originate mainly from the spiritual worlds and that somewhat reflect ourselves in our coarse-material world and they create and assign the relationship between melodies and what they are bound with - to what they belong and what they express) and respective criteria (above all, individual human beings - what they are like and what they are to be like) that decide what is suitable or not.

_Only, on 09 October 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

Who died and made you critic of Truth?

Literally taken, no one. Metaphorically taken, perhaps I have got a bit of some inspiration from Beings that are not stupid at all.

[The_Spirit_of_Truth]

Jinxdom, on 09 October 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

When has music ever been like you said Spirit?

Music is eternal. Older than the beginning of our universe.

Jinxdom, on 09 October 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

There is a huge difference between the past and the present. Singing a song around a campfire with your family is completely different then listening to the radio, singing in the shower, in front of an audience in a play. There is more then one context in which music fits. What about background music in movies, tv shows or even video games? Each song in each situation has different criteria required to do its job.

Good points. Lets say, that when we are founding ourselves in circumstances that allow us perceive and consequently experience music the way it was supposed to be experienced by us, only then we experience it corrrectly and truly.

Jinxdom, on 09 October 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Time changes things but the patterns will always stay the same.

!!! EXCELLENT !!! This is universal rule valid not only for music.

Jinxdom, on 09 October 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

The great works will shine through the ages of time and the not so great will give way in a short time which gives a false sense of what was really going on at that time.

I hope you won't mind when i will make it even more precise: The officially great works and the officially not so great.

[The_Spirit_of_Truth]

Professor T, on 09 October 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

I find most modern music un-inspiring..

Perhaps that is what is missing, inspiration, uniqueness.

It's remake after remake these days..

Good point.

[The_Spirit_of_Truth]

Euphorbia, on 09 October 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Please define what "the safety of our souls" means to you and why you feel music should cover "suffering". I have never in my entire life heard anyone request a song about people suffering......unless you want to include some metal music which is done more for a reaction from the listener.....

Above all, the safety of our soul means 1. Not to be stolen 2. Not to live (or develop itself) in unsuitable conditions like living amidst a lie and under some wrong worldview, experiencing of too much suffering, too much evil or too much good.

Every human soul - while living in man's body - should experience some feelings of sympathy and compassion. And music can help it. Because music addresses our inside, it would be wrong if it was addressing it only by ways that won't cause us to have feelings of the sympathy and compassion.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

I like that old time rock and roll, cos modern music ain't got the same soul

[The_Spirit_of_Truth]

Corpse Dicer, on 09 October 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

You're complaining because popular music doesn't focus upon your personal delusions?

No. It partly does, but not completely. I am complaining out of the reason that I have said several times already in this topic.

Corpse Dicer, on 09 October 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

There's not a single human emotion you can name that isn't reflected in music. There's nothing left out, you're just choosing to ignore anything you don't want to hear.

Its not that simple. Perhaps these human emotions are somehow reflected in compositions (music without words), but when they are reflected in melodies of songs, these songs usually have unsuitable words that prevent you from the correct experience of the proper melody.

Corpse Dicer, on 09 October 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

And by declaring certain lyrics 'unsuitable' all you're doing is making a fool of yourself.

No. If I was only declaring them "unsuitable" without saying a reason for it, it would be foolish. But I have said my reasons.

Corpse Dicer, on 09 October 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Why not voice your complete opinion (as you did in your previous post that was removed)?

The post was removed and I am now forbidden to talk about "H****** *****e".

Corpse Dicer, on 09 October 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

You actually believe most humans are 'hellish' and you're anxious for their extermination. You genuinely believe 'hellish people' want to eat your soul. Apparently these delusions cloud your judgement in every aspect of your life, even preventing you from enjoying something as pure and human as music. That's pathetic.

I "only" wanted to exterminate & annihilate their Hellish souls but I cannot speak about it any more.

What prevents me from a full enjoying of something as pure and human as music are the consequences of the actions of my enemies. Not my nature.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

interesting, there's a theory that both dolphins and whales actually sing for enjoyment no jut communication whereas birds (on the whole) do it for sex and territoriality.

[Euphorbia]

The_Spirit_of_Truth, on 09 October 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Above all, the safety of our soul means 1. Not to be stolen 2. Not to live (or develop itself) in unsuitable conditions like living amidst a lie and under some wrong worldview, experiencing of too much suffering, too much evil or too much good.

This is all very subjective, especially the "wrong worldview" part.

I have to laugh at the disclaimer on your link:

"The text placed on this educational web site only represents the private opinion, fantastic imaginations and subjective feelings of an individual. The author disclaims any responsibility for the damage caused to anyone by the use of and/or manipulation with this text and he does not warrant the correctness, trueness, completeness, safety or usefulness of any information stated in it."

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Every human soul - while living in man's body - should experience some feelings of sympathy and compassion. And music can help it. Because music addresses our inside, it would be wrong if it was addressing it only by ways that won't cause us to have feelings of the sympathy and compassion.

I do not believe humans possess a "soul"........and yet I still have feelings of sympathy and compassion.

"Wrong" is highly subjective!

[Jeremiah65]

What is modern music lacking?   Talent?

Being a "Gen X'er"...I came up with great talent.  I just don't hear the originality anymore.  Seems most of the "new" is just a "re-do" of the old.

But in all seriousness, I am not busting on any generation of music.  When I was young, I liked "this" and thought "that" sucked and as I got older, then "that" didn't sound so bad.  I pretty much love all music.  There are a few genres I don't care for but I respect them nonetheless.

As far as music touching you...it depends on your mood...try classical...it always stirs something in me personally.

[Cora Calliope]

Hasina, on 09 October 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Is a DaVinci painting art? Is a Picasso painting art? I'd never call Picasso's work 'art' but many do.

In which definition of "art" does Picasso's work not fit?

[Hasina]

Cora Calliope, on 10 October 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

In which definition of "art" does Picasso's work not fit?

It was an example. Many people say 'music nowadays isn't music', DaVinci's work was realistic, while Picasso's isn't, it's pleasing to look at. Just because Picasso's work isn't as realistic as Picasso's does it make it less worthy of being called art? Modern music may not sound good to many people, that still doesn't make it not music, or bad, it's just different.

[Likely Guy]

Wearer of Hats, on 09 October 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

modern pop music is soulless
What they call "R&B" is more often then not sound and fury signifying nothing.
Note to the Biebers of the world - a song is not repeating the same word over and over in the same tone of voice.

Again, on behalf of the nation of Canada, we sincerely apologize for Justin Bieber... and Celine Dion... and Nickelback.

We're also sorry that we're also so apologetic.

I'm sorry, disregard that last statement.

Edited by Likely Guy, 10 October 2012 - 02:06 AM.

[Likely Guy]

In answer to the OP, for a musician to be massively popular they must have 'mass appeal' which usually means they have to appeal to the lowest common (mass) denominator.

Stop listening to top 40 radio and go to your nearest 'folkfest', or search online. You'll find thousands of worthy artists that will appeal to your personal taste.

[The_Spirit_of_Truth]

Wearer of Hats, on 09 October 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

interesting, there's a theory that both dolphins and whales actually sing for enjoyment no jut communication whereas birds (on the whole) do it for sex and territoriality.

Interesting theory.

[Barnabas Collins]

The_Spirit_of_Truth, on 09 October 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

I "only" wanted to exterminate & annihilate their Hellish souls but I cannot speak about it any more.

Check it out, people. THIS is why Pavel posted this topic to begin with. He thinks music should focus more on the fact that 'hellish people' want to swallow the souls of good people like him. And he considers the majority of humans to be 'hellish'. This is actually what he believes, no joke. So whatever your thoughts about music, keep in mind that the person asking is paranoid, delusional and in serious need of psychiatric attention.