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[bee]

bmk1245, on 31 October 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

No surprize, because JO deals with FACTS, concept most ETHers aren't familiar with.

have a heart bmk...JO has so many of you wedged up his backside already that he has to stand up to type....









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[bmk1245]

bee, on 31 October 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

have a heart bmk...JO has so many of you wedged up his backside already that he has to stand up to type....

I have half backed heart. Simple.

Edited by bmk1245, 31 October 2012 - 08:12 PM.

[psyche101]

TheMacGuffin, on 31 October 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

I don't think that Jacobs has ever withheld any information, but has always been very forthright about his UFO experience.  I think he is a very honest and courageous man for telling this story, as was his commanding officer for backing him up.

Frankly, I'm surprised that a story like that ever came out at all.  I knew about it--or something very similar--before it was ever discussed in public, long before the era of the Internet and the Disclosure Project.

As for not sharing information with Oberg and keeping him at arm's length, I regard that as a very wise policy.

It just seems that does not add up on Jacob's behalf because the information he claims to have uncovered is available on Jims website, and he has only released a partial transcript yet Jim has publicly offered his the entire letter, and given him full permission to post it any place he likes.

To ignore that, I have to say, is not a wise policy, and even if Jacobs is the salt of the earth, he is putting himself in a bad light under the above conditions. I am sure you can see how this would look very suspicious on Jacob's behalf to any new or indifferent party observing the process.

[Slave2Fate]

psyche101, on 31 October 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

...Sometimes I will just read a paper without looking who the author is...

If only we could adopt such a stance in the ETH debate. It would get rid of all of the appeals to authority at the very least. As well as necessitate verifiable evidence. Just drop the names and look at the data...I like that.

[1963]

JimOberg, on 26 October 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

What I find weird is how when serious investigations are made of major 'VIP UFOs', the results are covered up by UFO promoters and people can act as if they don't exist.

Check out my G. Cooper section at www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html

Hey Jim thanks for the link. I must say that 'Old-Gordy' and his old tales (or revelations as they may be?) really provokes a strong reaction from you doesn't he!...But then if any of his claims were to be left 'un-debunked' the ETH would no longer be just a hypothesis.. would it!...

Anyway Jim, I also noticed a small snippet in your...
Astronaut "UFO" Sightings...section

"May 16, 1963 -- Mercury 9: Gordon Cooper reported a greenish UFO with a red tail during his fifteenth orbit. He also reported other mysterious sightings over South America and Australia. The object he sighted over Perth, Australia, was caught on screens by ground tracking stations. Cooper has recently denounced all stories of UFOs on his space flights as fabrications. The multicolor UFO is based on a deliberate misquotation by an author of Cooper's postflight report on a sighting of the Aurora Australis. Verdict: Fraud."

And I would appreciate it if you would post a link as to where exactly Gordon made this confession to being 'A Liar', because for the life of me....I can't find it!


Cheers.

Edited by 1963, 01 November 2012 - 02:06 AM.

[TheMacGuffin]

psyche101, on 31 October 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

It just seems that does not add up on Jacob's behalf because the information he claims to have uncovered is available on Jims website, and he has only released a partial transcript yet Jim has publicly offered his the entire letter, and given him full permission to post it any place he likes.

To ignore that, I have to say, is not a wise policy, and even if Jacobs is the salt of the earth, he is putting himself in a bad light under the above conditions. I am sure you can see how this would look very suspicious on Jacob's behalf to any new or indifferent party observing the process.

We have been through this case many times before, but fortunately Jacobs also had letters from his own commanding officer to prove that he was telling the truth about the UFO incident.  Naturally Oberg doesn't like to mention that, which comes as no surprise.

[TheMacGuffin]

Slave2Fate, on 01 November 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

If only we could adopt such a stance in the ETH debate. It would get rid of all of the appeals to authority at the very least. As well as necessitate verifiable evidence. Just drop the names and look at the data...I like that.

I have the sense that I could sit here doing that all day and still it would never be enough.

[TheMacGuffin]

Then we have all the letters Bob Jacobs wrote to Mansmann, which Oberg didn't mention on here either, along with Mansmann's letters to other UFO researchers.

[TheMacGuffin]

And anyone who says that UFOs have no interest in missiles just doesn't know the history, like this 1965 incident from Warren Air Force Base.

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 01 November 2012 - 02:30 AM.

[TheMacGuffin]

As I recall, the black and white still pictures we were shown differed from this animation in that the UFO was a silver-metallic disc-like object, flying a parallel course with the missile on the RIGHT side, and firing something at it that knocked it down into the ocean.

[TheMacGuffin]

One more thing, Oberg and his echo chamber were not telling the truth about Cooper when they said that he first talked about a UFO landing in Florida, and then conflated it with the story of the 1957 landing at Edwards.

He was always clear that these were in fact two separate incidents.

"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentions left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed...I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public."


He also said that he got in trouble at NASA and was denied any opportunity to command an Apollo mission to the moon because of his strong and outspoken views on UFOs and ETs, but Oberg will NEVER mention that.

http://www.google.co...M7K0PHS5yznE-5A

[psyche101]

TheMacGuffin, on 31 October 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

And I lived in a world of scumbags, crooks, fanatics, liars and sociopaths, one behind every tree in fact.  People who would sell their grandmothers for a nickel and deal in just about anything.  I've met a lot of people in this world in my lifetime in many different countries, and the majority of them I wish I hadn't.

I knew about Willard Milton Romney (his real name) in the 1980s when he was down in Central America looking for investors, and I can tell you that he'd deal with just about anybody, even the thugs who ran Panama, Guatemala and El Salvador.  I could also tell you about his connections with the folks who ran the old Howard Hughes empire in Las Vegas after old Howard had gone really daffy.

God help us if he is ever elected because he'll be as dirty as Richard Nixon.  Well, I've been in many countries that were basically run by mobsters and gangsters.  It's the nature of the world, and I know too much about it to ever have a happy or optimistic disposition again.

I am sorry that you seem to have been cornered with the lesser elements of society. I have met people like this but luckily they have been few and far between.

I do not know too much about current US polotics. He is the mormon who wants to be president isn't he?

[TheMacGuffin]

psyche101, on 01 November 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

I am sorry that you seem to have been cornered with the lesser elements of society. I have met people like this but luckily they have been few and far between.

I do not know too much about current US polotics. He is the mormon who wants to be president isn't he?

Yes, and I first heard about him in Central America when he was down there hustling for investors, trading on his father's name.  That's why he was given jobs like that in the first place, because his father George Romney had been a big auto executive and governor of Michigan.

People will regret it very much if he gets elected--and soon.  LOL

[psyche101]

Slave2Fate, on 01 November 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

If only we could adopt such a stance in the ETH debate. It would get rid of all of the appeals to authority at the very least. As well as necessitate verifiable evidence. Just drop the names and look at the data...I like that.

Thanks mate, I realise that I have personal bias, although I feel well deserved, and I try to challenge that when I can. However, as I said, it tends to become apparent who the author is by way of information, and quite often prose. Many a time I have managed half a paper and had to turn back to the cover to see who was writing some of the insanity I have come across. I am sure I will be pleasantly surprised one day

[TheMacGuffin]

This article gives some information about the organizations tasked with doing the real UFO investigations in the US from 1953 to the present.  Hint: it wasn't Blue Book.

Gordon Cooper and many others stated quite correctly over the years that Blue Book was just a cover, and there are now many documents available that prove it.

http://www.google.co...GrAU1UW0kZ3oBTw