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The phantom of the opera. Fact or Fiction?


Little_Nephilm

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Hey all. I'm Little_Nephilim. I'm glad that I have been able to find a good paranormal forum. And I hope to have good, clean intelligent debates over the unexplained mysteries of this world.

But onto my topic for this discussion.

I for one beleive that someone like Erik, or the phantom of the opera as most people know him. Was a real man at one time. A genius even if he was deformed and reclusive.

I mean it's gotta have SOME basis in fact. I mean Gaston Leroux himself stated that the man was real and not the delusional image of the box clerks or the managers. ^_^

*Edit* Ah dangit. I just realized that I mispelled my log in name....there IS suppose to be a 2nd "I" after the L in Nephilm...it IS suppose to be Nephilim. Dang typo's. I just rushed through too fast in my excitement to join the community.

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I wish Erik was real! I'm a huge phan. But I think Gaston just said that to help sell his book.

SQUEE! A Phan! WOOT! I just hope we dont drive the peeps here nuts with this thread cause of our mutual obsession. LOL! :D^_^

Here's a creepy story. A friend of mine had a ghostly experience while she and her girlfriend were visiting the Opera Garnier. They were there during one of the french holidays so no singer's would have been in the building. It was lightly raining outside and was hot and sticky. They didnt want to go out and get wet just yet. So She and her GF waited on the Grande Escalier. Faintly Marie (that's my friends name) heard singing. It was a gorgeous male tenor voice singing Mozart.

She and her GF looked around to try and find where it was coming from. Finally Marie peeked into the auditorium despite the sign up that it was closed for cleaning (though there wasnt a cleaner in sight) and with how the acousitcs is in there there was no mistaking that the voice was coming from the stage. But no one was in there. Finally someone shouted at them from one of the balconies demanding what they thought they were doing in there when it had been roped off. It was one of the managers and he escorted them out of the building. He had been acting all gittery and stuff too. Marie asked him about le fantome and he almost freaked as he couldnt get rid of them fast enough. :ph34r:

Marie hadnt realized that it had been freezing in there and it was a hot french summer day. and her gf went over to the Rue Scribe enterance and she could faintly hear the singing from there too. She wanted to go take a closer look but got one of those 'I wouldnt do that if I were you' feelings. Kind of a parental warning of danger. So she left it be. :alien:

How creepy is that? Concidering that the Opera was used as a prison for POW's during the Commune and the Prussian war. It is entirely fesable(sp?) that it could be haunted by the souls of the tortured war victims.

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Phantom of the Opera>>>other things.

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Many people in the theatre business claim that a lot of theatres are haunted by ghosts. Supposedly, it is the one place where they were truly happy and in death they return there and often cause mischief. Perhaps this is the origin of the story.

Ever been backstage at a theatre? They are dark places and full of all kinds of junk from previous shows. It's pretty easy to imagine anescaped convict or something hidding back there.

Then again, maybe the guy was inspired by a superstition that we no longer have.

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Phantom of da opera =========> BS

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Firstly, welcome to UM Little Nephilim - hope you enjoy your stay :tu: If you want your username fixed up send a PM to the site administrator - SaRuMaN - and he'll fix it up for you.

Secondly, I think the Phantom may have been a real character at one stage, though not the deformed killer portrayed by Leroux.

Thirdly, (and a little off-topic), I thought I'd share this photo with you - The Phantom of the Death Star :lol:

user posted imageYes, I'm a nerd :yes::P

Once again, greetings and welcome.

Regards, PA

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Firstly, welcome to UM Little Nephilim - hope you enjoy your stay :tu: If you want your username fixed up send a PM to the site administrator - SaRuMaN - and he'll fix it up for you.

Secondly, I think the Phantom may have been a real character at one stage, though not the deformed killer portrayed by Leroux.

Thirdly, (and a little off-topic), I thought I'd share this photo with you - The Phantom of the Death Star :lol:

user posted imageYes, I'm a nerd :yes::P

Once again, greetings and welcome.

Regards, PA

Thanks PA. I'll keep it in mind. I'm not really worried about it tho. I can deal with a typo. It'll just make me unique lol

Oh and yes, you're a nerd lol. That's a great pic. :D

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Phantom of da opera =========> BS

Phantom of the Opera>>>you.

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I get the impression that someone here doesn't like the Phantom. Might be because they've never sat through the movie, the original movie.

I even own the two tape set of the musical. The show was coming to my town about 15 years ago but, they cancelled. Not enough tickets sold. The girl I was dating at the time told her dad and he bought us the tickets. Still got them somewhere. I think he sort of liked me after that.

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Phantom of the Opera>>>you.

Take him off your wub list! Just me, dammit!!!

:w00t:

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I may as well take everyone except you off that list, since you're the only one who reciprocates. Jerks.

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Try this area of time for seaching for your phantom.

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The Opéra was in its prime the 1830s as French Grand Opera exploded on the scene with the sensational eruption of Mount Vesuvius . La muette de Portici (1828), by Daniel-François-Esprit Auber, exploited the spectacular stage effects already known to French audiences (a trait dating back, along with the Opéra's lineage, to the days of Louis XIV). Soon to follow was the genius of the German expatriate Giacomo Meyerbeer, first with Robert le diable (1831), then with Les Huguenots (1836). Auber's Gustave III, ou Le bal masqué (1833) and Fromental Halévy's La Juive (1835) soon followed. Romanticism had opened up the possibilities of historical and supernatural worlds, and within those settings, the five-act grand opera offered a unique collaboration between composer, librettist, stage and costume artisans and choreographer (a ballet, of course, being mandatory). The commercial demand for mind-numbing special effects (spectacles d'optique), each designed to outdo the last, was enormous. (One can easily draw a parallel to the modern motion-picture industry.) Louis Véron, director of the Opéra during its heyday, was the first to turn a profit since the days of Lully. source

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I may as well take everyone except you off that list, since you're the only one who reciprocates. Jerks.

I agree. Feel the love!!

Congrats on 700 posts!!!

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The few people I talked to about it say they think it is based on a true story. Of course they are real fans of this particular opera.

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