Opinions on the Kensington Runestone

[DJ_Quinn]

http://kensingtonmn.com/runestonepg.html

An elaborate hoax, or real?

There are some curiosities, but I'm no expert on runes.

[The Roswell Man]

if its a hoax its old...

and looks genuine enuff....

[Irish]

Gros Morne, National park in Newfoundland Canada has much evidence for Viking settlements including buildings, tools and Viking trails.

[Mr Ed]

I thought it was already proved that the Vikings discovered America before Columbus...

[The Roswell Man]

they even settled there for a while....

[Ailil]

Yeh its been proven in various ways. The various "adventure" or travel saga's talk about 3 lands discovered cant remember all the names at the moment but they describe the camps that they set up and some dealings with natives and using them archaeologists found the sites they were at and have found that they were indeed here.

The question is whether or not they were in other places and in greater numbers, and whether or not they were responsible for this particular stone. For my money, I'd say its a strong possibility.

[Acei]

Yeah, I've seen several reports with proof that Vikings were in N. America long before Columbus. I believe that they have found remnants of small viking villages in Greenland and Newfoundland. I don't think that this report is too far fetched. It's probobly true...

[DJ_Quinn]

Saint Brendan of Ireland was in North America long before Columbus as well.

[Hitmizzle]

There is a runestone similar said to have Viking orgins in South East Oklahoma at a place called RuneStone State park. I have seen it with my own eyes very interesting, the writing is similar to that of this

[Mr Ed]

Does anyone remember someone on hear saying that the Chinese were actually the first to discover America? I doubt that has any truth behind it but I distinctly remember someone saying it, maybe on a news site...

[DJ_Quinn]

No, there was an ancient Chinese anchor found off the coast of California.

[LucidElement]

That is interesting... so what exactly is this Kensington Slab aka Stone supposed to be.... (i looked at it i was thinkin 10 commandments haha, but i know im wrong) can anyone help me out and just explain, i read it but i think i might of missed it.. thank you!

[DJ_Quinn]

"May 24, 2005 10:15 am US/Central

Kensington, Minn. (WCCO) Researchers have found new evidence of a secret code concealed on the Kensington Runestone, one of the most controversial pieces of Minnesota history.

The rock was found near Alexandria, Minn. a century ago. It bears an inscription that places Norwegians here in 1362.

Were Vikings exploring our land more than 100 years before Columbus? Or is the Kensington Runestone an elaborate hoax?

New research suggests the rune stone is genuine, and a hidden code can prove it.

"Eight Goths and 22 Norwegians on an exploration journey ... 10 men red with blood and dead ... 14 days journey from this island ... year 1362."

The Kensington Runestone's carved words have haunted the Ohman family for more than 100 years.

Olof Ohman has been accused of authoring Minnesota's most famous fraud. The farmer claimed he found the stone buried under a tree in 1898.

Critics believe the language on the rune stone is too modern and that some of the runes are made up. They say Ohman carved it himself to fool the learned.

The Ohman family's faith in the stone has never wavered, however.

"I just never had any doubt," said grandson Darwin Ohman. "I mean, I was very emphatic about it. Absolutely it's real. There's no doubt."

"(Critics are) calling (Olof Ohman) a liar," Minnesota geologist Scott Wolter said. "If this is a hoax, he lied to his two sons, he lied to his family, lied to his neighbors and friends and lied to the world."

Wolter and Texas engineer Dick Nielsen believe hidden secrets are carved in the Kensington Runestone.

"It changes history in a big way," Wolter said.

In 2000, Wolter performed one of the very few geological studies on the Kensington Runestone. He said the breakdown of minerals in the inscription shows the carving is at least 200 years old, placing it before Olof Ohman's time.

Wolter's findings support the first geological study that also found the stone to be genuine, which was performed in 1910.

"In my mind, the geology settled it once and for all," Wolter said.

Linguistic experts believe some of the stone's runes are made up, but Nielsen said he found one of the disputed runes in a Swedish rune document dating back to the 14th century.

"If they were wrong about that, what else were they wrong about?" Wolter said.

Wolter documented every individual rune on the stone with a microscope.

"I started finding things that I didn't expect," Wolter said.

Wolter discovered a dot inside each of four R-shaped runes.

"These are intentional, and they mean something," Wolter said.

Wolter and Nielsen scoured rune catalogs and found the dotted R's.

"It's an extremely rare rune that only appeared during medieval times," Wolter said. "This absolutely fingerprints it to the 14th century. This is linguistic proof this is medieval. Period."

Wolter and Nielsen traced the dotted R to rune-covered graves inside ancient churches on the island of Gotland off the coast of Sweden.

"The next thing that happened is, we started finding on these grave slabs these very interesting crosses," Wolter said.

Templar crosses are the symbol of a religious order of knights formed during the Crusades and persecuted by the Catholic Church in the 1300s.

"This was the genesis of their secret societies, secret codes, secret symbols, secret signs -- all this stuff," Wolter said. "If they carved the rune stone, why did they come here? And why did they carve this thing?"

Wolter has uncovered new evidence that has taken his research in a very different direction. He now believes the words on the stone may not be the record of the death of 10 men, but instead a secret code concealing the true purpose of the stone.

Linguists single out two runes representing the letters L and U as evidence Olof Ohman carved the stone. They are crossed, and linguists say they should not be. A third rune has a punch at the end of one line.

"Maybe they're saying, 'Pay attention to me,'" Wolter said.

Each rune on the stone has a numerical value. Wolter and Nielsen took the three marked runes and plotted them on a medieval dating system called the Easter Table.

When we plotted these three things we got a year: 1362," Wolter said. "It was like, oh my God, is this an accident? Is this a coincidence? I don't think so.

"We think, if it’s the Templars, they confirmed the date which is on the stone -- 1362 -- by using a code in the inscription."

But why would Templars come to America, carve this stone and code the date?

"If it's the Templars, who were under religious persecution at the time, that would be a pretty good reason to come over here," Wolter said. "Maybe the rune stone is a land claim.

"I'm sure a lot of people are going to roll their eyes and say, 'Oh, it's "The DaVinci Code,"' and if they do, they do. This is the evidence, this is who was there, this is what the grave slabs tell us. It is what it is."

Wolter and Nielsen said they expected their work to be criticized. The developments in their research are too recent to have been reviewed by other rune stone experts.

The pair are preparing a book, "The Kensington Rune Stone: Compelling New Evidence," for future publication."

[LucidElement]

ok... but what were the stones exactly? can anyone assist me in a short brief few sentences what exactly they were?