The Future?

[Sevastiel]

Intriguing. Like a good sci-fi read.

http://mondovista.com/witness.html

Unexpected outcome of a hypnosis session as stated, or blatant attempt to gather a crowd?

[SlimJim22]

Intriguing. Like a good sci-fi read.

http://mondovista.com/witness.html

Unexpected outcome of a hypnosis session as stated, or blatant attempt to gather a crowd?

Good stuff. Either it is genuine or someone has really done their research. The part that stood out for me was when they mentioned about solar radiation in the tunnels. This is something that has interested me for a while. Basically cosmic rays can be experienced below ground as flashes of blue light and there is a suggestion that these may have beneficial effects on consciousness. It was covered in Cosmic Origins From Cygnus in the ancient mysteries board but here are a few links on the science behind it.

http://www.deepscience.org/contents/summary.shtml

http://www.scostep.ucar.edu/comics/books/cosmicrays_e.pdf

http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/Cygnus_Cosmic_Rays_Evolution.htm

I look forward to reading more from those hypno sessions. How did you come across them?

[Sevastiel]

Good stuff. Either it is genuine or someone has really done their research. The part that stood out for me was when they mentioned about solar radiation in the tunnels. This is something that has interested me for a while. Basically cosmic rays can be experienced below ground as flashes of blue light and there is a suggestion that these may have beneficial effects on consciousness. It was covered in Cosmic Origins From Cygnus in the ancient mysteries board but here are a few links on the science behind it.

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I look forward to reading more from those hypno sessions. How did you come across them?

I was looking for additional information on conditioning factors in society and how individuals become programmed through that, which let to the 'tapping the Amygdala' topic (also interesting), which led to a link where that happened to catch my eye.

Very interesting reading. Love the comic-strip version.

Reminds me of a dream I had once (not claiming relevance, just reminds me).

In middle of a warzone, white beam streaks down to the earth and through the ground, entering men near me. They began writhing and screaming. Then one of the beams hits me and a voice says "Just relax. Don't fight it.", after which I feel a sharp pain in my stomach, but nothing worth the rucus coming from the others. Was interesting. Those articles reminded me of that.

Also reminds me of the reference somewhere in the whole revelation thing where it's said that many will try to hide underground and it will do them no good. Interesting.

I've never seen any need to make the evolution idea exclusive of other ideas.

Evolution happens on more than physical levels. Is just as likely to point to a time in history where we 'became' sentient as any other explanation. Makes more sense than many actually.

[Torgo]

Even were it not fabricated, "hypnosis" does not exist - at least not as something distinct from play-acting and free-association.

Basically, the hypnotist is giving someone social permission to act out, and the person being hypnotized is convincing themselves they are in an altered state of consciousness. People 'remembering' things under hypnosis are notoriously prone to creating false memories based on their own preconceived notions or the promptings of the hypnotist, hence the 'satanic abuse' panics of the eighties and 'childhood sex abuse' panics of the nineties and the ongoing 'alien abduction' phenomenon.

Edited November 1, 2010 by Torgo

[Emma_Acid]

You do realise that people can still lie when under hypnosis?

[Sevastiel]

Even were it not fabricated, "hypnosis" does not exist - at least not as something distinct from play-acting and free-association.

Basically, the hypnotist is giving someone social permission to act out, and the person being hypnotized is convincing themselves they are in an altered state of consciousness. People 'remembering' things under hypnosis are notoriously prone to creating false memories based on their own preconceived notions or the promptings of the hypnotist, hence the 'satanic abuse' panics of the eighties and 'childhood sex abuse' panics of the nineties and the ongoing 'alien abduction' phenomenon.

I was thinking that myself actually, as I've experimented with hypnosis techniques before.

It's akin to the trance state, but approached in a different manner. All hypnosis is, in the end, self-hypnosis.

Suggestive results are really nothing more than isolated/pointed conditioning, similar to the slow conditioning and habituation attained over a lifetime (the whole nurture thing).

Thus the reason I said : Like a good sci-fi read.

You do realise that people can still lie when under hypnosis?

Yes. It's similar to a manner in which lie-detection can be overcome.

Causing oneself to 'really believe and re-member things' such that the lie becomes truth.

Delusions can have their positives just as well as their negatives.

Otherwise all those sugar pills wouldn't be cutting the mustard.

Edited November 1, 2010 by Sevastiel

[SlimJim22]

After reading all the trasncript it did read more and more like and Arthur C Clarke novel. Not a bad one but it does seem as if someone with enough imagination and engineering knowledge could come up with the story.

Perhaps hypnosis allows for a form of disassociation that gives the reader a solid basis from which to innocently create original stories that may be drawn from the subconscious rather than fully conscious thought.

The alternative is that it is drawn from the Akasha or collective uncosncious and what is being given is but one reality from a multiverse of possibilities. Perhaps it is certain anxieties that the individual holds or something they have read that inspires their recollection.

Good read but nothing to say it was anything more than imagination. Stillfood for thought and I liked the part about the 'adaptionists'

[Sevastiel]

After reading all the trasncript it did read more and more like and Arthur C Clarke novel. Not a bad one but it does seem as if someone with enough imagination and engineering knowledge could come up with the story.

Perhaps hypnosis allows for a form of disassociation that gives the reader a solid basis from which to innocently create original stories that may be drawn from the subconscious rather than fully conscious thought.

The alternative is that it is drawn from the Akasha or collective uncosncious and what is being given is but one reality from a multiverse of possibilities. Perhaps it is certain anxieties that the individual holds or something they have read that inspires their recollection.

Good read but nothing to say it was anything more than imagination. Stillfood for thought and I liked the part about the 'adaptionists'

I use the disassociation method all the time to come up with writing and artwork, by focusing on feelings and images without really analyzing them further. Letting whatever comes to express itself. (Brain dump/subconscious spill)

I've always wondered about the Akasha(ic) as being a possible explanation for clairsentient/etc phenomenon as well as past lives, alternate lives, precognition, etc. Without any dividing line though, it all has to be reduced to imagination and creativity...though that does NOT explain how some few cases have proven to be legitimate (proven being relative to ones own inability to be there while the study took place, or taking law enforcement's word for it and whatnot).

While reading through it I noticed some language that was 'off' in the whole of it that made me lean more closely to fabrication, which is why I dubbed it down to 'a good read'. Still, they knew their basics for the scenario painted. The few inconsistencies ruined any chance it had of being taken seriously as a precognitive view of the future though.