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#1    kannin

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:42 AM

i say alexandre the great, for his tactics

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:46 AM

Genghis Khan no debate :tsu:

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:48 AM

Hannibal, for being the only one to cross the Alps into Rome with an army and for the Battle of Cannae.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:52 AM

View Postspartan max2, on 26 June 2013 - 12:46 AM, said:

Genghis Khan no debate :tsu:
do explain? there were many just as great as he was

View PostOdin11, on 26 June 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

Hannibal, for being the only one to cross the Alps into Rome with an army and for the Battle of Cannae.
good one! alex for the taking of babylon for the cake!

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:53 AM

View Postkannin, on 26 June 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

do explain? there were many just as great as he was


good one! alex for the taking of babylon for the cake!

Simply because he took over the most land and in the quickest amount of time in all of history! and unlike alexander and most conquers khan is a true rags to riches story. He was part of one of the lowest tribes, and he got exiled. Then slowly took over and united.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:57 AM

IGNORANCE--causing stupid decisions, idiotic wars, bad elections, uncontrolled disease. numbed brains and a placid, credulous populace. Let's hear it for ignorance, conquering nations from the inside out since the Day of Creation.  Selah.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:58 AM

View Postspartan max2, on 26 June 2013 - 12:53 AM, said:

Simply because he took over the most land and in the quickest amount of time in all of history! and unlike alexander and most conquers khan is a true rags to riches story. He was part of one of the lowest tribes, and he got exiled. Then slowly took over and united.
yeah but you cant always use the sob story the "robin hood effect" there were lots of figures like that, in my personal opinion it doesnt give them anything different over the others, look at napolean short man with a gimp arm

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IGNORANCE--causing stupid decisions, idiotic wars, bad elections, uncontrolled disease. numbed brains and a placid, credulous populace. Let's hear it for ignorance, conquering nations from the inside out since the Day of Creation.  Selah.
jeez dude you okay?

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:05 AM

View Postkannin, on 26 June 2013 - 12:58 AM, said:

yeah but you cant always use the sob story the "robin hood effect" there were lots of figures like that, in my personal opinion it doesnt give them anything different over the others, look at napolean short man with a gimp arm



Well if taking over the most land in the quickest time and rags to richest dosent work for you then i guess i can add more lol. He is the reason for a vast spread of knowledge because of his control of Asia and middel east he controled the silk road making it stable spreading everything across the world. He allowed freedom of religon in his empire which is almost unheard of at that time.
vastly threatened the roman empire.

Not to mention getting all the tribes of mongol to somehow work together and all the kingdoms he conquered is very immpresive.

Edited by spartan max2, 26 June 2013 - 01:06 AM.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:13 AM

View Postszentgyorgy, on 26 June 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

IGNORANCE--causing stupid decisions, idiotic wars, bad elections, uncontrolled disease. numbed brains and a placid, credulous populace. Let's hear it for ignorance, conquering nations from the inside out since the Day of Creation.  Selah.

I think Fear could be partners with ignorance :tu:

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:39 AM

Yellow Fever.  It conquered the French in Haiti and prevented napoleon from establishing a New World Empire.

Yellow Fever.  It conquered the French in Haiti and prevented napoleon from establishing a New World Empire.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:45 AM

View Postspartan max2, on 26 June 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

vastly threatened the roman empire.

So, tell me. How did someone in the 12th and 13th Century threaten an empire that ended in the 5th Century? (Or did you mean the Byzantine or Holy Roman Empire, which were different polities?)

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 02:00 AM

View Postjaylemurph, on 26 June 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

So, tell me. How did someone in the 12th and 13th Century threaten an empire that ended in the 5th Century? (Or did you mean the Byzantine or Holy Roman Empire, which were different polities?)

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Smart ass.... But fair point :tu: lol

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 02:21 AM

View Postkannin, on 26 June 2013 - 12:58 AM, said:

yeah but you cant always use the sob story the "robin hood effect" there were lots of figures like that, in my personal opinion it doesnt give them anything different over the others, look at napolean short man with a gimp arm


jeez dude you okay?

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 02:24 AM

Alex the great conquerd much of the known world at the time spreading greek philosophy far into distant empires also built many beautiful greek out posts.

In my opinion the greek army of tgat time would merc the mongols

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 02:45 AM

View Postjaylemurph, on 26 June 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

So, tell me. How did someone in the 12th and 13th Century threaten an empire that ended in the 5th Century? (Or did you mean the Byzantine or Holy Roman Empire, which were different polities?)

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Attila the Hun better fit that time in history, but he is not my first choice. Spartan's timeline might be off, but his choice is good. Genghis Khan could have conquered both Asia and Europe had it not been for intervening fate. The Golden Horde was unstoppable. Their tactics and weapons were unmatched by the best military of the era. They conquered millions of people in a wide swath of countries. They were stopped by bodies of water, which was why Japan wasn't conquered, but they likely had captured experts who could have solved that problem. They used their prisoners for their benefit, some of whom were the best engineers at the time. The French and the Germans might have spoken Mongolian if Genghis Khan marched across western Europe. They would have faced a force with no real opposition that used the best military technology of the day. It was partly comprised of captured eastern Europeans, the ones that weren't killed, murdered, enslaved, etc.. The British Isles would have been Europe's last hope.

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