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#16    FLOMBIE

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

View Postdanielost, on 20 February 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

There is one thing god cannot do.  That is do evil.
That depends on the perspective.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:53 PM

The clear answer is that total omnipotence does not exist. A creator god might be able to create universes but it clearly could not create such a rock. For one it would mean that that god is subject to gravity, and the rock would have to be larger than many universes . I think the real question is if an omnipotent god can give up its omnipotence. If it can then the answere is yes. God WAS omnipotent then, he made a rock that he cannot lift, so NOW he is no longer omnipotent and dosnt have a clue what to do with one bigassrock.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:56 PM

When you take omnipotence away you no longer have "God," but just Superman.  He may appear to be a god to the naive, but that doesn't make him god.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:04 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 20 February 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

When you take omnipotence away you no longer have "God," but just Superman.  He may appear to be a god to the naive, but that doesn't make him god.
Even the gods reveared the Buddha who was simply a man. ;)

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:08 PM

Thanks but that's myth.  The reality is he doubted their very existence.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:12 PM

I'll play along. Judeo-Christo God, right? Yeah, He could, but He's so vain He'd then make Himself strong enough to lift it.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:18 PM

Well, yes, but then he's not omnipotent since he can lift his rock -- he wasn't able to build it.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

Perhaps the question doesn't have an answer; at least not in our dimension.  God makes a humongous rock, but He can lift it.  So He makes the rock bigger, but He can still lift it.  So He makes the rock bigger, but He can still lift it.  So He makes the rock bigger, but He can still lift it.  So He makes the rock bigger, but He can still lift it...

Has science yet determined if the universe has a boundary, or is it infinite?

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:13 PM

View PostJ. K., on 20 February 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Perhaps the question doesn't have an answer; at least not in our dimension.  God makes a humongous rock, but He can lift it.  So He makes the rock bigger, but He can still lift it.  So He makes the rock bigger, but He can still lift it.  So He makes the rock bigger, but He can still lift it.  So He makes the rock bigger, but He can still lift it...

Has science yet determined if the universe has a boundary, or is it infinite?

I think the answer yes it has a boundry, and it is infinite at the same time

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:16 PM

View Postdanielost, on 20 February 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

There is one thing god cannot do.  That is do evil.
It is alleged he made man.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:35 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 20 February 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:


It is alleged he made man.

View Postfreetoroam, on 20 February 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:


It is alleged he made man.

True, but he made man perfect.  Man messed up.

I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:44 PM

View Postdanielost, on 20 February 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

True, but he made man perfect.  Man messed up.
haha, if man is capable of messing up, then this alleged god did NOT make him perfect!

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:51 PM

View Postdanielost, on 20 February 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

There is one thing god cannot do.  That is do evil.

Depends on what your definition of evil is.  Personally I think wiping all life from the Earth would be considered evil.

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They didn't use thousands of workers - oops forgot about the work camps
There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
Well we know they didn't use ancient tools to cut and shape the stones - Chisel marks?  Craps
I still say aliens built them!

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:57 PM

View Postdanielost, on 20 February 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

There is one thing god cannot do.  That is do evil.
Well he created Satan who, with the gifts that God gave him, went on to commit all evil in the world (allegedly). So he did 'create' evil.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:06 PM

View PostHasina, on 20 February 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

Well he created Satan who, with the gifts that God gave him, went on to commit all evil in the world (allegedly). So he did 'create' evil.
allegedly. :tu:

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.




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