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#16    Chimpanzee

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:18 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:15 PM, said:

BTW - Yes, if a person was abused as a child and grew up, gained an education and passed the requirements and evaluations I would give them the job.  BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT IS DISCRIMINATION.

Same thing with any other position.

EVERYONE can have a motive to behave in an "unprofessional" way in a situation.  Being homosexual doesn't make anyone "more likely" to behave in an unprofessional way.

You're being too general and discriminatory towards homosexuals.

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The only other way is to construct a personal file on everybody in the country for intelligence purposes.

Then if you have a gay polieman or whatever the cases they are allowed on can be restricted to guarentee no unprofessional behaviour.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:19 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

No I'm saying many have a motive to act unprofessionally.

Which is... that they're homosexual?
Exactly how does this translate to a motive to act professionally?

I'm a heterosexual guy, what makes me more likely to act professionally than they?

You seem to be equating it to ... neo Nazis? Really?
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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:20 PM

View PostShadowSot, on 05 October 2011 - 07:19 PM, said:

Which is... that they're homosexual?
Exactly how does this translate to a motive to act professionally?

I'm a heterosexual guy, what makes me more likely to act professionally than they?

You seem to be equating it to ... neo Nazis? Really?
  Sexuality has been shown to be genetic, it's a genetic trait.

Ok suppose you're a judge and you have a defendant on trial for gay hate crimes.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:21 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

The only other way is to construct a personal file on everybody in the country for intelligence purposes.

Then if you have a gay polieman or whatever the cases they are allowed on can be restricted to guarentee no unprofessional behaviour.

That would be a gross violation of civil rights.

And what about policemen on the beat? That have no choice what they do or what they're called out to?

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:22 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:20 PM, said:

Ok suppose you're a judge and you have a defendant on trial for gay hate crimes.
I'd weigh it the same way if the person had been tried for black hate crime, or any other hate crimes.
  You've not answered the question.
What is intrinsic that homosexuals are less likely to be professional than a heterosexual?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:23 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:


I ask you, should everyone be tagged, based on their religion, sexual orientation, color, and then sequestered to certain positions and actions?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:24 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 06:58 PM, said:

A whole list of people should be banned from the jobs it isnt just homosexuals.

Would you let someone who was the victim of child abuse become a Prison Guard looking after sex offenders?
Would you let a KKK member be a Policeman and expect him to behave professionally with black suspects?

Anybody that can have issues against other types of people should be banned from those jobs and yes that includes homosexuals because many will have issues regarding discrimination and hate crime suspects.

Following that logic the only people who could join the police would be those who have never been a victim of crime or have never known someone who has been a victim of crime. Because that past might affect how they treat criminals. Police also provide protection at protests so can't have anyone with any kind of opinion on political topics. Cuts the recruiting pool a wee bit thin doesn't it?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:24 PM

See, I don't think comparing the homosexual community to the KKK and Neo-nazis is a fair example, or a wise statement to make for that matter.

By this logic, minorities shouldn't be allowed to be COPS because they might not be able to handle hate crimes "professionally."  Get real, I'm sure that there are plenty of homosexuals who can handle hate crimes just fine.  It depends on the individual person, not what race, sexual preference, etc. they belong to.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:26 PM

View PostShadowSot, on 05 October 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

I'd weigh it the same way if the person had been tried for black hate crime, or any other hate crimes.
  You've not answered the question.
What is intrinsic that homosexuals are less likely to be professional than a heterosexual?

I'm not saying all of them I'm saying a percentage of them may be inclinded to unprofessional behaviour if they were the judge at a trial where someone is on trial for gay hate crimes.

I'm not saying you would, I'm not saying the next guy would, but a few down the line we'd get one that will.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:27 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:26 PM, said:

I'm not saying all of them I'm saying a percentage of them may be inclinded to unprofessional behaviour if they were the judge at a trial where someone is on trial for gay hate crimes.

I'm not saying you would, I'm not saying the next guy would, but a few down the line we'd get one that will.


So what is the percentage of cases that is happening in now because homosexuals currently hold all of those positions.

You still haven't answered my question.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:27 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:26 PM, said:

I'm not saying all of them I'm saying a percentage of them may be inclinded to unprofessional behaviour if they were the judge at a trial where someone is on trial for gay hate crimes.

I'm not saying you would, I'm not saying the next guy would, but a few down the line we'd get one that will.

So because a few MIGHT then none should be judges etc? Such foolish logic.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:28 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 05 October 2011 - 07:27 PM, said:

So because a few MIGHT then none should be judges etc? Such foolish logic.


Hon, that's not even foolish logic, that's paranoia.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:28 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:23 PM, said:

Can you answer this please?

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No, everybody in the country should have a file where the risks of letting them have certain types of employment should be properly assessed to guarentee professional behaviour.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:29 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:28 PM, said:

No, everybody in the country should have a file where the risks of letting them have certain types of employment should be properly assessed to guarentee professional behaviour.


How is this information gathered?  

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:30 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 05 October 2011 - 07:27 PM, said:

So because a few MIGHT then none should be judges etc? Such foolish logic.

Ok let me ask a question.

Should people who have been members of the BNP be allowed to become policemen?





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