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"types" of experiences you believe

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#31    Sakari

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:46 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 03 February 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

If they saw bigfoot they could easily say that...

How can anyone say " I know " without any facts other then belief, or a " experience" to use as evidence?   ( not just Bigfoot, anything.... )

An " experience " can be explained, if one new the real possibilities. I have had a few that I can not explain, yet I will state " I can not explain them ". I will not just say " I know it was a ghost ".....

Because I do not " know " that.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:47 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 03 February 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

You wouldn't have to believe them but if they saw it they saw it.... that is proof for them.

It is to them, but it is not proof of said thing being real to what they think it is. Stating  " I know it was " is not correct.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:02 PM

View PostSakari, on 03 February 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

How can anyone say " I know " without any facts other then belief, or a " experience" to use as evidence?   ( not just Bigfoot, anything.... )

An " experience " can be explained, if one new the real possibilities. I have had a few that I can not explain, yet I will state " I can not explain them ". I will not just say " I know it was a ghost ".....

Because I do not " know " that.
If you saw a car and knew it was a car. could you not say it was a car?


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:04 PM

View Postnotforgotten, on 03 February 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

If you saw a car and knew it was a car. could you not say it was a car?

I could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt it was a car. And everyone knows cars are real, so not much debate there.

If I said I saw a ghost, that is apples to oranges there.

Not sure where you were trying to go with this.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:10 PM

View PostSakari, on 03 February 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

I could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt it was a car. And everyone knows cars are real, so not much debate there.

If I said I saw a ghost, that is apples to oranges there.

Not sure where you were trying to go with this.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:12 PM

View Postnotforgotten, on 03 February 2013 - 07:10 PM, said:

There are thousands of pictures of ghosts on the internet.

And thousands of confirmed hoaxed pictures.

And thousands of " ghost " pictures that have been debunked, and found to be something real.

Yet, not one confirmed existence of a Ghost.

Are there millions of confirmed ghosts that anyone can see, touch, here ?

There are also thousands of pictures of the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus, and Chupacabre's, and Models wit no blemishs at all.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:18 PM

View PostSakari, on 03 February 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

And thousands of confirmed hoaxed pictures.

And thousands of " ghost " pictures that have been debunked, and found to be something real.

Yet, not one confirmed existence of a Ghost.

Are there millions of confirmed ghosts that anyone can see, touch, here ?

There are also thousands of pictures of the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus, and Chupacabre's, and Models wit no blemishs at all.
I don't have this skepticism myself because I've taken a least a thousand pictures of ghosts myself and know that they were not a hoax. Is what you're telling me is that all these people are liars?

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:31 PM

View Postnotforgotten, on 03 February 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

I don't have this skepticism myself because I've taken a least a thousand pictures of ghosts myself and know that they were not a hoax. Is what you're telling me is that all these people are liars?

No, not all. Many may be not be educated on photography, and what can be percieved as a " ghost " from some that have blind faith, may be logical lense flairs, dust, or any other possible photography answer.

Out of every claimed " Ghost " picture on the net, and on Tv, not one person has been able to show even one that can not be answered.

Do you have a link for your thousands of ghost pictures?.....Or would you care to share the " top " ones?



And it is not skepticism, it is knowledge, and fact.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:40 PM

View PostSakari, on 03 February 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:



And thousands of confirmed hoaxed pictures.

And thousands of " ghost " pictures that have been debunked, and found to be something real.

Yet, not one confirmed existence of a Ghost.

Are there millions of confirmed ghosts that anyone can see, touch, here ?

There are also thousands of pictures of the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus, and Chupacabre's, and Models wit no blemishs at all.

I really feel you are in denial and thats why your acting like its hard to understand something that is rather simple... if you experience something you become aware of its existance. You say everyone knows what are a car is. Okay... and lots of people know about god and ghosts etc... these are not a new concepts... there is testimony after testimony after testimony about it..

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:44 PM

P.s. blind faith is believing without evidence.. meaning they believe and have never seen. Having evidence and believing because of that is calling having proof of that thing...

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:46 PM

View PostAquilaChrysaetos, on 03 February 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

The most important part of that passage isn't the fact that you had experiences, it's that you have the confidence, courage, and outright audacity to proclaim it to people. Don't ever let go of that beautifully rare kind of strength and spirit. :tu:

Gee, thanks for the compliment! It often feels risky, but I can't let that dictate my life.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:52 PM

View PostSakari, on 03 February 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

That is absurd. I have experienced things, and that is not proof. I could easily jump to conclusions on what those things were, but I do not.

I get what you're saying. However, I didn't jump to any conclusions. I spent months studying & reading, talking to people, thinking about it, processing it, etc. However, if one is of sound mind, not under the influence of drugs, of average intelligence, reasonably educated, one's experiences can often be accepted as real. Of course there are exceptions to this, but you know, if you see it and hear it, and have your experiences confirmed by others, it would be unreasonable to reject the experience out of hand. Lack of "scientific" explanation doesn't invalidate the event.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:53 PM

View PostBeany, on 03 February 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:



Gee, thanks for the compliment! It often feels risky, but I can't let that dictate my life.

Oh and beany just to let you know I liked the way you answered the question: do you believe in god? You said yes but not in the way most people understand her. I'd like to hear more about what you have to say about that sometime. ;)

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:59 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 03 February 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

I agree with notforgotten. I have experienced things that have been proof for me. I would never in all my days let a skeptic take that away from me. For me that would be absurd.

It IS absurd to accept the assurances of strangers that our experiences are not real or are hallucinatory in some way. Every one of us has our own unique reality based on life experience, genetics, socialization, acculturation, education, IQ, family influences, a thousand different factors. For someone to say, I haven't experienced that, therefore because it's not within the realm of my experience or understanding, it doesn't exist, has just limited their own possibilities.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:01 PM

View PostSakari, on 03 February 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

Blind Faith is not all ways a bad thing. If something you " believe " makes you happy, why should anyone try to take that away from you?
I've never been a fan of blind faith, myself. And really, for me, it's not a belief, it's an acknowledgement of what is.





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