Being and Experience Fundamentally Understood

[Genius of Dreams]

The ability of thought to describe or reconfigure sensory experience is ultimately dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sensory experience. This is true of both dreams and television. How does this great truth/fact fundamentally pertain to physics/physical reality/physical experience ? Television is a creation of thought. Dreams are not a creation of thought. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams. Dreams make thought more like sensory experience in general, thereby improving upon memory and understanding. Television is a manifestation or form of extended dream vision as waking vision. Dreams are understood and described.

[freetoroam]

Sorry, you lost me on the first line.

[Saru]

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Could we keep the comments constructive please.

Thank you.

[ChrLzs]

The ability of thought to describe or reconfigure sensory experience is ultimately dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sensory experience.

Thought *is* sensory experience. Everything you sense or perceive is done in the brain.

This is true of both dreams and television.

No, they are completely different things.

How does this great truth/fact fundamentally pertain to physics/physical reality/physical experience ?

It's not a great truth, so it doesn't.

Television is a creation of thought. Dreams are not a creation of thought.

Dreams are thoughts... So that makes no sense.

There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.

You've never had a dumbass/ridiculous dream that meant nothing of substance? Or do you think that the dumbass ones are just too complex for us/you to comprehend? Either way, I don't see the point.

Dreams make thought more like sensory experience in general, thereby improving upon memory and understanding. Television is a manifestation or form of extended dream vision as waking vision. Dreams are understood and described.

What (other than giving a good example of word-salad almost perfectly) does that mean?

BTW, may I suggest that you drop the underlining. It's old-hat, suggests weblinks, and is not recommended for good readability. And frankly your posts need all the readability help that you can get..

OP, was there a sort of 'over-arching point' you wished to make?

[Genius of Dreams]

Television is experienced by the invisible eye. Television is what is meant by being "out of touch with reality". Dream experience is semi-detached in relation to touch/tactile experience.

The Earth/ground is not detached in relation to touch/tactile experience, as it is experienced by the fully visible body. (The eye is the body.) Television is fully like thought, as television is a creation of thought that is fully detached from touch/tactile experience since it involves full electromagnetism. Now, the fully visible body experiences full gravity. The distance in/of space in the case of TV is (comparably and predictably) eliminated/flattened. Notice that the invisible eye is also fully detached from touch/tactile experience in the case of television.

Dream experience is between (and in the middle of) our experiences of full gravity (the Earth/ground) and full electromagnetism (television). That is magnificent. This means a double unification of gravity and electromagnetism, with one unification confirming/reinforcing the other. All coincidence? Impossible. I have much more support of all of this. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams. Dream experience involves fundamentally and ultimately equivalent and balanced gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism (with half gravity and half inertia). Again, most importantly, BODILY/VISUAL experience in dreams is visible and invisible in balance. So, dream experience is that of the middle distance in/of space. It all makes sense.

In dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. Therefore, there is no outsmarting the genius of dreams; and dreams balance possible/potential and actual experience.

Thoughts are invisible.

Saru. Thank you for eliminating the insults and the ridiculous criticisms here. THIS THREAD IS SUPER IMPORTANT SCIENCE NEWS.

By Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

[ChrLzs]

Eeeurgh. Word salad and capitals...

Bye.

[aquatus1]

Guys, this is the Philosophy and Psychology board. Yes, the discussion is going to get meta at times.

That said, I agree with Chrlzs that Genius is trying a bit too hard with the word salad.

If you feel the need to Bold, Underline, and Italicize every other words in your statement, perhaps you should consider working on content and communication instead.

[Genius of Dreams]

The self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience. Experience then becomes a more direct manifestation/representation of the self that is increasingly representative of a greater totality of experience as well. Dream experience is fundamentally consistent with the great truth/fact that the self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience. If we did not fundamentally represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience, we would then be incapable of our growth and becoming other than we are. In dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. Dreams balance conscious and unconscious experience.

This explains so much about the fundamentals of being and experience.

Importantly, my other thread, "Why dreams are the source of genius", is super important as well.

Keep the comments constructive folks. Discuss what I have clearly proven here. There is way too much here for it all to be avoided or dismissed. We know this. Talk facts.

[aquatus1]

Importance isn't a self-assumed status. Right now, you haven't managed to convince anyone to even take this seriously, let alone grant it any sort of importance. Stop repeating yourself, stop re-posting your own posts, find out why no one believes you, and clarify so that they take you seriously.

Edited December 9, 2015 by aquatus1

[Genius of Dreams]

According to aquatus1, all of my ideas are wrong. They are all plainly and obviously wrong, Really? You forgot to tell me why they are all wrong. Good luck.

I have proven that (and why) dream experience is (and can be) fundamentally, accurately, consistently, truly, and comprehensively UNDERSTOOD AND DESCRIBED. Think about it. Dreams do not (and cannot) only involve being. Dreams balance conscious and unconscious experience. Dream experience is actual AND possible/potential IN BALANCE. Dreams balance being and experience. Accordingly, it is very clear that dream experience is that of the middle distance in/of space. Therefore, and most importantly, in dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. Dreams make thought more like sensory experience in general, thereby improving upon memory and UNDERSTANDING. Now consider that the ability of thought to DESCRIBE or reconfigure sensory experience is ultimately dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sensory experience. Dream experience and waking experience are fundamentally related, and they are fundamentally linked. Obviously, there is (and there must be) a sensible, clear, logical, understandable, and reasonable explanation regarding what dreams really are and how they are possible. In fact, now it makes perfect sense that there is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.

[aquatus1]

According to aquatus1, all of my ideas are wrong.

I haven't commented on ANY of your ideas. At all.

They are all plainly and obviously wrong, Really?

If you say so. But again, I will emphasize that you are doing absolutely nothing to encourage people to think of you as a credible thinker.

You forgot to tell me why they are all wrong. Good luck.

I didn't forget. I simply don't see anything that merits a response. Frankly, the only reason I am posting here is because you, as per forum rules, have a right to be heard. That, however, doesn't translate into you necessarily having anything worth saying. Whether you do or not depends entirely on you as the messenger.

[Genius of Dreams]

aquatus1, are you serious?

You need to keep your comments constructive.

I find it hard to believe that you imply my numerous ideas here are without merit. That is plainly false, ridiculous, and insulting to anyone who can think.

Your conduct is vindictive and outrageous. Are you jealous ? Think !

Dreams and waking experience are fundamentally related and fundamentally linked, and yet they are separate experiences as well. This matches up with the great truth/fact that in dreams we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. So, dreams necessarily involve the middle distance in/of space consistent with the fact that dream experience is possible/potential and actual in balance.

The totality of dream experience is (considered overall) as similar to emotion as it is to thought. Again, dreams are not a creation of thought.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Genius of Dreams

[aquatus1]

aquatus1, are you serious?

Yes. You don't have to take my word for it, though. Try and find anyone whom you have convinced that you are credible on this forum.

You need to keep your comments constructive.

I gave you specific advice on how to improve your discussion skills and increase your credibility. Whether you use them or not is entirely up to you.

I find it hard to believe that you imply my numerous ideas here are without merit. That is plainly false, ridiculous, and insulting to anyone who can think.

Feel free to support your ideas, as opposed to simply claiming that they are correct and super-important. Claims are a dime a dozen; this is a discussion forum, we see them day-in-day-out around here. What matters is how well you can communicate and support your ideas.

Applies to real life as well.

Your conduct is vindictive and outrageous. Are you jealous ? Think !

If you have an issue, feel free to PM the Head Admin, Saru. Otherwise, either discuss your topic, or let it die. Stop making up BS claims about what I said (i.e. "According to aquatus1, all of my ideas are wrong"), stop trying to pick a fight, ("Are you jealous ? Think !"), and stop asking for constructive criticism if you intend to ignore it when it is given to you ("That said, I agree with Chrlzs that Genius is trying a bit too hard with the word salad. If you feel the need to Bold, Underline, and Italicize every other words in your statement, perhaps you should consider working on content and communication instead."; "Stop repeating yourself, stop re-posting your own posts, find out why no one believes you, and clarify so that they take you seriously.")

If you want people to take you seriously, start by making sure people understand you. That means not assuming your ideas are both important and self-evident. If you want people to give you constructive criticism, don't ignore it when it is given. If you want people to find you credible, don't completely ignore what they write and instead make up something that has absolutely nothing to do with what is written.

[Tatetopa]

Genius, I am working through your thread. I think I understand some of your points about television and dreams and their nature, and I am working through your dream explanation. From my engineering and mathematical background I have a different concept of proof than you might. Even from a Bertrand Russell mathematical logic viewpoint, I haven't seen proof yet, but I am not asking for proof, just understanding. Dreams are both real and potential I think you say. Please explain further if that is incorrect. Is a dream different from a waking fantasy or daydream? When a writer is working on a new book, is that a similar use of imagination bringing the now and the possible future together? How about meditation? I would like to get some bounds on your thoughts.

Do you think that dreams draw on a deep source of understanding or connection with the universe that the conscious mind does not? You have alluded to gravitation, spacetime, and electromagnetism and I am not sure how that fits. From my own point of view, we may be biochemical and electric Turing machines. We are a part of this universe and governed by its rules at least as far as bodily functions go. A thought may be a combination of synapses, chemical messages and ion exchange but in a sense it is also a pattern. A pattern is information. Some of the physicists concerned with the structure of the universe are now talking about information. How much information does the universe contain? That is a different concept that how big it is in light years or any other dimensional measurement. I don't know if that is the direction you are heading or if I just jumped the tracks and landed in the swamp.

[LV-426]

Television is experienced by the invisible eye. Television is what is meant by being "out of touch with reality". Dream experience is semi-detached in relation to touch/tactile experience.

The Earth/ground is not detached in relation to touch/tactile experience, as it is experienced by the fully visible body. (The eye is the body.) Television is fully like thought, as television is a creation of thought that is fully detached from touch/tactile experience since it involves full electromagnetism. Now, the fully visible body experiences full gravity. The distance in/of space in the case of TV is (comparably and predictably) eliminated/flattened. Notice that the invisible eye is also fully detached from touch/tactile experience in the case of television.

Dream experience is between (and in the middle of) our experiences of full gravity (the Earth/ground) and full electromagnetism (television). That is magnificent. This means a double unification of gravity and electromagnetism, with one unification confirming/reinforcing the other. All coincidence? Impossible. I have much more support of all of this. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams. Dream experience involves fundamentally and ultimately equivalent and balanced gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism (with half gravity and half inertia). Again, most importantly, BODILY/VISUAL experience in dreams is visible and invisible in balance. So, dream experience is that of the middle distance in/of space. It all makes sense.

In dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. Therefore, there is no outsmarting the genius of dreams; and dreams balance possible/potential and actual experience.

Thoughts are invisible.

Saru. Thank you for eliminating the insults and the ridiculous criticisms here. THIS THREAD IS SUPER IMPORTANT SCIENCE NEWS.

By Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

I'm trying to discern the "SUPER IMPORTANT SCIENCE NEWS" but all I'm seeing is...

Edited December 12, 2015 by LV-426

[jmccr8]

I'm not really sure of what your on about.Your presentation and distracting script then posting micro print made it less appealing.So to sum it up from my position is that I cannot have an experience unless I am being,I can experience being, and there's no point in being if there are no experiences.

jmccr8

[DingoLingo]

Ok so I have read this thread.. and the other one you started which was closed.. and to be honest.. I see nothing that makes me think that you are correct..

sorry not remotely convinced..

I think the author you are quoting.. is.. basically full of bunk.

[Leonardo]

I have proven that (and why) dream experience is (and can be) fundamentally, accurately, consistently, truly, and comprehensively UNDERSTOOD AND DESCRIBED.

Not to knock you off your self-erected pedestal, but others have already determined how dreams can be understood and described a very long time before you arrived at your own idea. The understanding and interpretation of dreams, and the various tropes and archetypes we manifest in them, is a well-established psychiatric/psychological discipline.

Think about it.

Are you suggesting you are the only person who has "thought about it" to date?

Dreams do not (and cannot) only involve being. Dreams balance conscious and unconscious experience. Dream experience is actual AND possible/potential IN BALANCE. Dreams balance being and experience. Accordingly, it is very clear that dream experience is that of the middle distance in/of space. Therefore, and most importantly, in dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. Dreams make thought more like sensory experience in general, thereby improving upon memory and UNDERSTANDING. Now consider that the ability of thought to DESCRIBE or reconfigure sensory experience is ultimately dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sensory experience. Dream experience and waking experience are fundamentally related, and they are fundamentally linked. Obviously, there is (and there must be) a sensible, clear, logical, understandable, and reasonable explanation regarding what dreams really are and how they are possible. In fact, now it makes perfect sense that there is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.

The very nature of dreams demands we not be "conscious" in the sense you, perhaps, are intending. Dreams are indeed a meshing of conscious and subconscious but it is an essential aspect of dreams that our conscious connection to the real world be temporarily severed in order for the brain to create the internal dreamscape. The only "link" between dreams and our waking experience is that our intrinsic sensory apparatus is involved in interpreting both.

As for your last sentence, are you posting this purely as an ego-trip? In all the posts you've made in this thread up to this point, you have not actually elucidated your "epiphany" as to what the dream experience is, only spouted a word-salad of hyperbole and self-congratulation. Could you, in plain language, describe your thesis on what the dream experience consists of and how it's (i.e. what makes it) "linked" to the waking experience?