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#31    Gromdor

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:12 AM

I disagree. Voting and owning firearms are rights guaranteed by the constitution. Driving is a privilege, however. And as for buying a house, opening a bank account or cashing a check- you really have no say in that.  The bank can flat out say no.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:38 AM

View PostGromdor, on 27 September 2012 - 02:12 AM, said:

I disagree. Voting and owning firearms are rights guaranteed by the constitution. Driving is a privilege, however. And as for buying a house, opening a bank account or cashing a check- you really have no say in that.  The bank can flat out say no.

Ok maybe I did go alittle overboard.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 03:16 AM

View PostMiskatonicGrad, on 27 September 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

Voting is not a freedom it's a Right  just like driving, legally owning a fire arm, buying a house, opening a bank account, cashing your goverment assistance check(but since we see who complains when you bring this up maybe not), and any thing else you have to do with an ID.

Buying a house is a right? Gee and I just bought one 6 months ago. No ID required.

Bank Accounts can be opened on line. No ID required.


Government assistance is given on Cards or direct deposit. No ID required.

But yeah keep trying. I think you should have a government security check to own a firearm.

Edited by ninjadude, 28 September 2012 - 03:16 AM.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 01:53 AM

View Postninjadude, on 27 September 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

Because here you don't have to prove your identity. We don't have to carry papers.

Papers? it a card, lik a driver´s licence! You need it to avoid voting fraud (you also have voters records),a nd to prove your identity when you need it (like when you buy with a credit or debit card).

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:00 AM

View Postninjadude, on 28 September 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:

Buying a house is a right? Gee and I just bought one 6 months ago. No ID required.

Bank Accounts can be opened on line. No ID required.


Government assistance is given on Cards or direct deposit. No ID required.

But yeah keep trying. I think you should have a government security check to own a firearm.

If all of this is true, then it is a serious flaw that needs to be corrected.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:48 AM

View Postninjadude, on 28 September 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:


But yeah keep trying. I think you should have a government security check to own a firearm.

In case you didn't know....you do.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:43 PM

View Postninjadude, on 27 September 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

Because here you don't have to prove your identity. We don't have to carry papers.

Did you just say that you do not need an ID to use a credit card?    Never?    I'm usually not required, but many times I am.   I am happy to provide ID.   If fact, instead of signing the back of my cards, I write "SEE ID" on it so that I will be asked.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:48 PM

View Postninjadude, on 28 September 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:

Buying a house is a right? Gee and I just bought one 6 months ago. No ID required.

Bank Accounts can be opened on line. No ID required.


Government assistance is given on Cards or direct deposit. No ID required.

But yeah keep trying. I think you should have a government security check to own a firearm.

You didn't need an ID when you bought your house?    I bet you did.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:07 PM

I need to show ID when I vote, though since we have universal health care most people just use their health cards when voting, which is government issued with their photo and address. So all you Yanks need to do is reform your health care system and this problem will go away. :D

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:29 PM

View PostMyles, on 01 October 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

You didn't need an ID when you bought your house? I bet you did.

Nope. In fact, that's one of the many myths people have come to believe.

Edited by ninjadude, 01 October 2012 - 05:30 PM.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

It's very simple : In person voter fraud is not a major problem in the US, but if the GOP absolutely has to chew this bone then they consistently choose the wrong time to do it. If they want to enact voter ID laws in this country then the correct time to do it is an off year so the voters have time to get things ready. The wrong time is only a couple months before an election and the wrong way to do it is with laws that are confusing to the point where some people think that they might have ID's but don't.

To enact laws like that in an election year sort of puts on display that this is about voter suppression and not about what the GOP wants to claim it is.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:00 PM

thecnicaly you don't need id to buy a house, your broker\lawer, has all your info, and opening a bank account online also doesn't need id, just ssn. and be sure, before they open account they will run your background check, and will find out everything about you. a lot more than any form of id shows.

Edited by aztek, 01 October 2012 - 08:01 PM.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:04 PM

View Postaztek, on 01 October 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

thecnicaly you don't need id to buy a house, your broker\lawer, has all your info, and opening a bank account online also doesn't need id, just ssn. and be sure, before they open account they will run your background check, and will find out everything about you. a lot more than any form of id shows.

One little thing... Buying a house is also not a constitutional right. Voting is. Therefore comparing the two is not really a very valid comparison.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:23 PM

Voting is a right..

A right of US citizens..

If you're not a citizen, you can't vote.

Obama needs the Latino votes to win..

This does not mean that all Latinos are not citizens; the ones that are citizens should have no problem voting..

The immigrants that were made citizens by the Dream Act, by Obama so they can vote for Obama, may have a little difficulty...

If you need an ID, go to the DMV.

Show them your birth certificate, or maybe even your social security card, and you'll be good to go..

Now, if you came here illegally, obtaining an ID should be impossible, unless you go through proper paperwork and become a US citizen, learn about the Presidents, our nation's history, and learn to speak and read English - you know, the basic requirements for becoming a US citizen, regardless of your ethnicity..

The problem isn't illegals wanting to vote.

It's the fact they probably haven't even tried to learn about our nation, so they probably don't even know the requirements..

They don't want to lose their culture, but they demand rights.

Edited by Drayno, 01 October 2012 - 09:29 PM.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:27 PM

View PostDrayno, on 01 October 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Voting is a right..

A right of US citizens..

If you're not a citizen, you can't vote.

Obama needs the Latino votes to win..

This does not mean that all Latinos are not citizens; the ones that are citizens should have no problem voting..

The immigrants that were made citizens by the Dream Act, by Obama so they can vote for Obama, may have a little difficulty...

"the ones that are citizens should have no problem voting.."

That is where you make a mistake.

When a new law is passed, there is always a period of confusion as to how to conform to that law. Therefore when passing a law like that within a couple months of an election the confusion will cause many people that do have the right to vote to not be able to.

For example - in Pennsylvania right now, what is a valid ID? Because some people have drivers licenses that do not have their photos on them. Some have photos on them but don't have their street address on them (The rural voters for example have only a PO Box number on them as their address). Some think that they need a new ID and may actually need it but may be told that they don't by their next door neighbor... and therefore will be turned away at the polls because of that.

Nope - this smells of voter suppression rather than any valid worry on the side of the GOP when they do this this close to an election.





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