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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:59 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:


31 pages and continuing
http://www.unexplain...howtopic=244935

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and just to clarify for anyone who hasn't dipped their toes in to the ABOVE THREAD LINK,  which is a thread about the AA theory being UNTRUE, ie, NO aliens ever did anything. There is a difference and certainly no rock/wall pics   :tu:

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:59 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 28 March 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

Also there are mainstreamers who suggest that the ancients used a mixture of organic acids to literally liquefy the stones,that is why the edges fit so great.The theory suggests that the Ancients used to utilise the inherent mineral composition of these stones to make solvents that would melt the rocks wherever it was applied.

I have posted a ton of material about only that in the first thread I linked to in my former post.

But at least two persons have watched it themselves or heard about it: Hiram Bingham and Percy Fawcett.

I think I filled a dozen pages trying to find that foot-high plant with fleshy red leaves, growing along the Perené River in Peru, a plant that dissolved the spurs on the boots of someone walking through a field of these plants. A plant used by a native bird to dissolve rock to create its nest.

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I should add that the bird is a native of our planet....

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:14 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

I have posted a ton of material about only that in the first thread I linked to in my former post.

But at least two persons have watched it themselves or heard about it: Hiram Bingham and Percy Fawcett.

I think I filled a dozen pages trying to find that foot-high plant with fleshy red leaves, growing along the Perené River in Peru, a plant that dissolved the spurs on the boots of someone walking through a field of these plants. A plant used by a native bird to dissolve rock to create its nest.

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I should add that the bird is a native of our planet....

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Day of the Triffids movie... opening voice over said...

Narrator: "In nature's scheme of things, there are certain plants which are carnivorous, or eating plants. The Venus Fly Trap is one of the best known of these plants. A fly drawn to the plant by its sweet syrup, brushes against triggered bristles. Just how these plants digest their pray has yet to be explained. There is much still to learn about these fascinating eating plants. This is a newcomer: Triffidus Celestus, brought to earth on the meteorite during the Day of the Triffids".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055894/

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Edited by seeder, 28 March 2013 - 10:15 AM.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:14 AM

View Postzoser, on 28 March 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

Agreed.  As I suggested in post 7:

http://www.unexplain...6

It's the weight of evidence across the entire thread that will be the telling thing.

Some things to consider in your argument of primitive man wielding high technology:

How did it arise and where did it go?

How did it cross continents?

Try that for now.
How did technology arise in the ancient world is a question that can be answered according to our current observations regarding the same. By having advanced civilization and societies that encouraged new technologies.
Where did it go? is a more interesting question. There may have been a catastrophic world war that spiralled into a time when a lot of information was temporarily lost and found again now.The dark ages if you prefer.
How did it cross continents? is the simplest question of the three,pretty much the same way that it would today by ship or air plane.

You may find my answers ridiculous only if you believe:
1.Ancients were primitive and couldn't have done what we have done,we are much better off.
2.What we have achieved currently including our Wars couldn't have been achieved by the Ancients.
3.Ancients had not travelled around the globe, how could they it was Colombus/Amerigo Vespucci who discovered America,it was the conquistedors who first discovered South America lol.

As you can see i never resorted to Aliens or Extra-terrestrials even once in answering the questions.The issue arises only because of the arrogance of modern man who thinks that none before have achieved what we have.Also it will depend partially on how old you believe Homo Sapiens to be? If homo sapiens unlike what most evolutionists would tell you existed way back in the past say millions of years,then it would not be unreasonable to allow the ancients to have knowledge of advance technology.

Also in the Vedic tradition human civilization has undergone many previous cycles or Yugas. At the start of which righteousness and nobility of character and knowledge prevails which ultimately transitions to a phase where knowledge is lost and so is righteousness followed by complete destruction and then birth of a new humanity. This cycle continues.

Also the ancients have not even listed down the procedures they used, maybe be because it was common knowledge and not because Aliens built them. So much knowledge they had is lost because entire civilizations and their memory has been lost to us, these people could have known much that we do not yet know.

The more mysterious question to me is....how did these civilizations end,why did the people abandon these monuments?


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:18 AM

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The more mysterious question to me is....how did these civilizations end,why did the people abandon these monuments?

The Spanish arrived. It was only 500-ad. Just 1500 years ago so man wasn't primitive. In fact the Spanish even said they were still building it when they arrived. But thats all from me

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:20 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 28 March 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

Your reasoning is a little incorrect. I would say that if the Ancients were very primitive and had lesser means the method of least resistance would have been to use smaller stones to build their structures and as they progressed more they would have utilised larger chunks.
Primitive in technology compared with today but not in language, hard team work, planning and organisation. We dont use massive stone blocks any more, we use tiny bricks, concrete and steel infrastructure etc. We have not progressed to building with million ton blocks. The method of least resistence when it comes to protection (earthquakes for example) of large structures at that time was massive stone blocks organised in particular pattern. Most of the pyramid blocks are not relatively massive. Their acheivement is of human organisation not precision engineering. Of course ancient people progressed from different materials and they still used smaller blocks where the functional value of large blocks wasn't needed. But eventually we moved on from using gigantic stone blocks as the social construct and construction methods changed. Everything in our past fits a logical pattern of planning and technological evolution. It does not fit a pattern that involves advanced technology from aliens. If aliens visited us really they would teach us how to do stone masonry and not give us medicine or an ipad thing?? :yes:

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:21 AM

View Postmcrom901, on 28 March 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

have you seen any independently published paper which seemed sound?
Yes many. And if they are so unsound the mainstream should subject these papers to peer review and negate the information.
What is peer review in context of Historians? a bunch of published mainstreamers subjecting the paper to criticism and trying to verify whether the assertions in the paper are as per the scheme of things according to them or is the paper going against what they believe or what they have consented as right.
In most of these claims there is often no empirical evidence involved which can be verified independently and the mainstream opinion is also often unsupported by empirical evidence and is based on Consensus.
Peer review is not some magic wand which will catch the lairs by their ears and reward the truthful. As any due diligence mechanism it has it's pros and it's cons.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:24 AM

View Postseeder, on 28 March 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Day of the Triffids movie... opening voice over said...

Narrator: "In nature's scheme of things, there are certain plants which are carnivorous, or eating plants. The Venus Fly Trap is one of the best known of these plants. A fly drawn to the plant by its sweet syrup, brushes against triggered bristles. Just how these plants digest their pray has yet to be explained. There is much still to learn about these fascinating eating plants. This is a newcomer: Triffidus Celestus, brought to earth on the meteorite during the Day of the Triffids".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055894/

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Damn, that's it: it's an alien plant, LOL!


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:24 AM

View PostDragonwind, on 28 March 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

Primitive in technology compared with today but not in language, hard team work, planning and organisation. We dont use massive stone blocks any more, we use tiny bricks, concrete and steel infrastructure etc. We have not progressed to building with million ton blocks. The method of least resistence when it comes to protection (earthquakes for example) of large structures at that time was massive stone blocks organised in particular pattern. Most of the pyramid blocks are not relatively massive. Their acheivement is of human organisation not precision engineering. Of course ancient people progressed from different materials and they still used smaller blocks where the functional value of large blocks wasn't needed. But eventually we moved on from using gigantic stone blocks as the social construct and construction methods changed. Everything in our past fits a logical pattern of planning and technological evolution. It does not fit a pattern that involves advanced technology from aliens. If aliens visited us really they would teach us how to do stone masonry and not give us medicine or an ipad thing?? :yes:
We also use huge slabs of concrete or rock for various things, as our technology progresses we may not see the point of using smaller stones,bricks and instead may prefer to use single solid structures for majority of our work.If i was stuck with a donkey and 10 people to build a temple,i would rather use smaller stones rather then huge slabs of stone as it is easier to work with smaller pieces.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:28 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 10:24 AM, said:

Damn, that's it: it's an alien plant, LOL!

Pesky aliens, they put their pot plant out for a bit o sunshine...and the damned things went and softened all those rocks  :yes:




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Edited by seeder, 28 March 2013 - 10:28 AM.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:40 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 28 March 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

And if they are so unsound the mainstream should subject these papers to peer review and negate the information.

you do know what the 'burden of proof' means, right? and as i asked zoser earlier, an 'appeal to ignorance'?

Edited by mcrom901, 28 March 2013 - 10:42 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:47 AM

View Postseeder, on 28 March 2013 - 10:28 AM, said:

Pesky aliens, they put their pot plant out for a bit o sunshine...and the damned things went and softened all those rocks  :yes:


Maybe you remember that someone in that 677 pages long thread (JGirl??) said, "Hey, I grow these plants in my garden!!" (I think it was Caladium, not sure; I have posted lots of possible candidates)

So I asked her to try it out on granite, and we never heard of her again....


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:51 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

Maybe you remember that someone in that 677 pages long thread (JGirl??) said, "Hey, I grow these plants in my garden!!" (I think it was Caladium, not sure; I have posted lots of possible candidates)

So I asked her to try it out on granite, and we never heard of her again....


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Actually yes I remember it well. maybe she melted her fingers off trying, and cant type anymore? :w00t:

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:03 AM

View Postseeder, on 28 March 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

Actually yes I remember it well. maybe she melted her fingers off trying, and cant type anymore? :w00t:

Yes, it was JGirl:

i grow these in my garden. they're beautiful! i can't imagine eating it by mistake though lol

http://www.unexplain...95#entry4607895

I think she used gloves that melted away::

http://www.unexplain...showuser=106810


But I noticed she posted in this thread, so I guess she's ok.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:19 AM

View PostDragonwind, on 28 March 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:


The curve of human evolution is fairly simple and logical. We started out using extremely large stone blocks because they worked and because at the time stone was the primary construction method. Smaller blocks were used over time because more efficient ways of construction were utilized and because engineering neccessitated different approaches in response to changing social, technological and cultural constructs. Had people gone from straw huts to LCD displays overnight it would be more suspicous but mastering stone masonry 4000 years ago, to the level they did in context to expanding populations and technology, is an expected result. Everyone was using stone...eventually people were garaunteed to become extremely proficient at using stone.



OK I've heard this kind of argument before.  What I would say about it is this:

First was the planning. logistics and calculations actually done?  Have we seen any?  What maths did they have at that time to construct something such as the Great Pyramid with?  How would it have been written?

According to archaeological evidence the Aymara Indians did not have writing yet they were supposed to have made the precision relics at Puma Punku?

So something doesn't quite make sense here.

Secondly, can we find a precedent for this precision work in classical or renaissance time?

Before you go off and search, people tried this on the other thread and simply posted temples with pillars.

What I'm looking for is precision and construction work to compare directly with the work indicated in post number 2 not what people think is comparable because they have a personal admiration for the artisitic achievements of say ancient Rome.

http://www.unexplain...6

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