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[dekker87]

Br Cornelius, on 18 January 2011 - 11:34 AM, said:

An interesting, if slightly deranged right wing perspective on Zeitgeist and Theosophy;

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/69259

Having read this, you have to ask yourself is it a conincidence that the Venus Project should be so named when considering its similarities to the Theosphists  and the Lucis Trust.

Br Cornelius

interesting article...

i'm finding it a little odd that i don't seem to be able to find anything directly linking theosophy to zeitgest now as when i researched this a while back i found the linkage very quickly...hmmmmm...

[SlimJim22]

dekker87, on 18 January 2011 - 02:09 PM, said:

interesting article...

i'm finding it a little odd that i don't seem to be able to find anything directly linking theosophy to zeitgest now as when i researched this a while back i found the linkage very quickly...hmmmmm...

Something that Zeitgeist focusses on is syncretism. They argue Christianity was syncretized from jewish, greek, roman and persian sources and done in a way that it would appeal even to pagans. Thus it is a very good example of syncretism.

Theosophy tried to take the same approach but they fused hindusim, buddhism, christianity, judaism, heathenism, shamanism and anything else they could get their hands on. That is the major thing linking them imo. The theosophists wanted to create a new zeitgeist but we would say they failed miserably. However, considering they have been working with th UN since 1922 as the Lucis Trust and have many high profile supporters, maybe they have not done so bad they have just chosen to keep more of a low profile, in general at least. This may go back to what Krishnamurti said and they do not want to come on to strong. Let people come to conclusions themselves rather than trying to convert.

As Br. Cornelius implied the Venus Project is an apt name for those working with the Lucis Trust in mind.

Over the last century or so there has been a steady rise in unification faiths and this to I attribute to syncretism and the supposed approaching age of Aquarius.

[SolarPlexus]

i like this movement. ever since i watched the first movie. finally someone who stands up and tell whats wrong

[flyingswan]

Interesting view of Zeitgeist from someone outside the conspiracy movement:

Parts of "Zeitgeist," complete with depictions of Fox News as a government propaganda organ, resemble some paranoid, far-left, anti-Bush tracts of 2004-2007. Other parts resemble far-right paranoia from many years ago. But the more important question is what effect the picture had on Jared Loughner.

http://washingtonexa...-internet-movie

[SlimJim22]

flyingswan, on 20 January 2011 - 11:31 AM, said:

Interesting view of Zeitgeist from someone outside the conspiracy movement:

Parts of "Zeitgeist," complete with depictions of Fox News as a government propaganda organ, resemble some paranoid, far-left, anti-Bush tracts of 2004-2007. Other parts resemble far-right paranoia from many years ago. But the more important question is what effect the picture had on Jared Loughner.

http://washingtonexa...-internet-movie

It's a non-partizan movie but I agree the incoherence it presents is dangerous to unhinged minds. What is or isn't going on shouldn't be the point imo. Instead it should be used as an example of discerning patterns from history. Ideally we would learn the lessons and apply them to the future.

Purely my opinion but if anything the shift from Pisces to Aquarius will be a move from duality to a greater understanding of the Absolute. The two fishes will stop swimming apart and finally be at one maybe. Some stuff I have read is that Aquarius will lead to a greater emotional detachment. Rather than a loss of empathy I think this will boil down to a loss of ego but not identity as communal living becomes more practical.

With stuff like this there is a danger that Zeitgeist and it's unsubstantiated claims will undermine a growing shift in consciousness. It's just nature working in cycles and the human mind trying to comprehend it. Somethings are better left misunderstood, there is no harm in ignorance sometimes because knowledge for the ill prepared can have the opposite effect to which it was intended.

[snoghorn]

As Slim says ignorance may be bliss for some. But don't you feel that things need a change? Not only the way our governments are ruling, but what we are doing to our planet, environment and of course ourselves?
I can't say that I agree with the religious views of ZG but I really welcome the tech side and the fresh ideas that spring from it, 4000 years without fossil fuels would do wonders for our ozone and icecaps.

What I think we need to do is challenge the old ideas and introduce new one's that can make us work for us if you understand my drift. I am in negotiating a deal that will have my home solar powered as well as wind power, and rain collected in a storage tank that I can use to flush the toilets and water the garden that we plant our fruit and veggies in. Yes the batteries are expensive but the whole project is paid off in a couple of years, and I don't owe the energy department a cent, no power cuts.

All I am trying to say is that we need to look to the future and embrace certain aspects thereof that can improve and enrich our every day living.

[Br Cornelius]

There are powerful Corporate influences at work who have shown themselves more than capable of lying, torturing , killing and waging war to keep things the way they are.
Whilst ever people remain to terrified of the unknown they will never be willing to stand up to those vested interests.

Br Cornelius

[snoghorn]

That's what scares me Br, our planet is in dire need of healing and the corporates keep "raping" our planet, and this is made as acceptable to the cause of creating jobs and making the fat man more money by destroying the environment. We are on a downward spiral and if we continue to "rape" our planet we will LOSE against mother nature.

[SolarPlexus]

snoghorn, on 22 January 2011 - 06:07 PM, said:

That's what scares me Br, our planet is in dire need of healing and the corporates keep "raping" our planet,

Yup it disturbs me too.... the only thing that makes me feel better is - you reap what you sow

[snoghorn]

Then we need to start reaping in the other direction as we are clearly doing a very bad job at the moment.

[The Silver Thong]

snoghorn, on 22 January 2011 - 06:07 PM, said:

That's what scares me Br, our planet is in dire need of healing and the corporates keep "raping" our planet, and this is made as acceptable to the cause of creating jobs and making the fat man more money by destroying the environment. We are on a downward spiral and if we continue to "rape" our planet we will LOSE against mother nature.

I see, as yes we rape the earth but I see far more often man rapes man but not in that way, just overall. When a $ symbol dictates what can we expect.

[SolarPlexus]

snoghorn, on 22 January 2011 - 07:23 PM, said:

Then we need to start reaping in the other direction as we are clearly doing a very bad job at the moment.

i meant the corporate criminals and shadow rulers will get what they deserve

[snoghorn]

That's just it we are playing against one another and not working to find a solution together, we are finding all the faults that "they" want us to believe and trust and not the cumbersome projects of enriching our lives, or we are not allowed to, because we get "bought out"(FREE ENERGY) in one way or another getting sucked into the political and religion fields as we are led to believe by the media and various others. SO we need to achieve something and "rape" eachother because of the MONEY or BUSINESS prospects. This makes me really sad, to know that a rip off artist is standing on every corner in a suite and selling us propaganda in a neat, tidy self starter kit, " HOW TO BECOME ONE OF THE SHEEP" would be the title in other tactfull words that they would put in.

SCARY!!!!!!!

[Br Cornelius]

snoghorn, on 22 January 2011 - 07:48 PM, said:

That's just it we are playing against one another and not working to find a solution together, we are finding all the faults that "they" want us to believe and trust and not the cumbersome projects of enriching our lives, or we are not allowed to, because we get "bought out"(FREE ENERGY) in one way or another getting sucked into the political and religion fields as we are led to believe by the media and various others. SO we need to achieve something and "rape" eachother because of the MONEY or BUSINESS prospects. This makes me really sad, to know that a rip off artist is standing on every corner in a suite and selling us propaganda in a neat, tidy self starter kit, " HOW TO BECOME ONE OF THE SHEEP" would be the title in other tactfull words that they would put in.

SCARY!!!!!!!

This is what the climate change deniers are doing, selling comforting little stories of how the science is all bogus, because it profits big oil/coal to keep on polluting. There are many scam artists and many lies, and every one helps to keep the people of the world from finding a way to live our lives in harmony with the planet.

Br Cornelius

[Agent X]

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