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#16    Blackleaf

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 06:55 PM

What every American needs to know.



The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

No Israelis are being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 8,043 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000.

The Israeli unemployment rate is 10.4%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 37-67%.

60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 06:56 PM

QUOTE(Blackleaf @ Jun 20 2005, 07:44 PM)
Israel is dependant on the US.


Israel has received  $100 billion in aid from the US since 1948.  Every year, US taxpayers give Israel $5 billion in open and hidden aid. Egypt is paid $2 billion annually not to confront Israel.  Half of all US foreign aid goes to Israel and Egypt.  Israel's military is dependant on US equipment and technology.


How does this contradict anything I said here?
Let's see - 100 divide in 5... that's 20 years, which fits pretty well into the time frame I was talking about. We won most of our wars without the Americans, thank you very much.

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Only the oft-used US veto prevents Israel from facing UN sanctions over its refusal to withdraw form the West Bank and the Old City.

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More lies.... Israel cannot face UN sanctions because, as opposed to Iraq or Yugoslavia, none of the resolutions passed in regarding to the Israeli-Arab\Palestinian conflict were binding, thus no sanctions could be used.
Chapter 7 vs. Chapter 6 of the security council. Learn a bit about world diplomacy before you spit baseless accusations.

Also, Israel's "withdrawal" cannot be agreed upon because the UN itself says "territories" and not "the territories" gained in 1967. Hence Israel is advised to withdraw from some territories, but not all of them. This is logically as well, because the Arab countries used the pre-1967 cease fire lines (not international borders) as an astrategic way to invade Israel in 1967.
And last but not least, the "territories" do not belong to no one - cause no country ever annexed them and was recognized by the international community. Well, maybe the Ottomans could claim ownership tongue.gif (which is why many of the Ottoman rules stil apply for the territories to these days).

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 06:59 PM

Let's have a closer look at those 65 UN resolutions against Israel, shall we?

We'll have a bit of a lesson.

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"Aside from the core issues—refugees, Jerusalem, borders—the major themes reflected in the U.N. resolutions against Israel over the years are its unlawful attacks on its neighbors; its violations of the human rights of the Palestinians, including deportations, demolitions of homes and other collective punishments; its confiscation of Palestinian land; its establishment of illegal settlements; and its refusal to abide by the U.N. Charter and the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War."

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UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992
Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "...‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
Resolution 607: "...‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.



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Posted 20 June 2005 - 07:06 PM

QUOTE(Blackleaf @ Jun 20 2005, 07:55 PM)
What every American needs to know.



The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

No Israelis are being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 8,043 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000.

The Israeli unemployment rate is 10.4%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 37-67%.

60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements.

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Let's see....

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.
100% of those resolutions has been passed by muslim or soviet lobby... and guess what? 100% of them are NONE binding!

Ofcourse the Palestinians haven't been targeted by any UN resolutions - they are not a members of the UN tongue.gif.


No Israelis are being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 8,043 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

Yes... cause Israeli prisoners, just as Biritish and American prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan these days, tend to have a very short life time in the hands of their captives... usually 10 days, if they are luck - 10 mins disgust.gif.


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0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000.[/color]
70% were 50 year old houses, empty from any dwellers and on the verge of collapse, while the remaining 30% have been destroyed to give terrorists hard time to hide and to teach them that terrorism doesn't pay.

[color]The Israeli unemployment rate is 10.4%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 37-67%.
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That's because of the terror campaign they've started... all the rest of the emplyed Palestinians work in Israel. Before the terror campaign against Israel which started on September 29, 2000, the unemployment rates were much lower - around 10.4%.


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60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements.
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"Jewish only"... lol... do you know that the settelments sit on only 2% of the disputed territories? the only reason they would have to be evacuated is that the Palestinians don't want Jews in their future country. And if they see one - he'll be hanged or shot down.
It has been like that since 1929...

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 07:08 PM

Blackleaf, all your arguments are based on lies and cheap demagogue.
You have proved in other threads to be a nationalistic racist.
Not only you bashed France for the last 2 months, and most of the other European countries, including member states of the UK, you now turn on my country.
Do you know no boundries?
Your backwarded racism and superiority-complex are not welcomed here no.gif.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 07:08 PM

has this not gone off topic fairly dramatically?

Life is a hideous business, and from the background behind what we know of it peer daemoniacal hints of truth which make it sometimes a thousandfold more hideous.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 07:09 PM

As this thread has veered so drastically from topic I'm closing it.

Blackleaf, I will ask once more.......stop derailing threads just so you may insult  other countries.  Warnings will be issued from now on.

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