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[TheMacGuffin]

According to this 2012 lecture by Jim Fetzer, none of the official version of the JFK assassination is true,  Oswald was not on the 6th floor of the School Book Depository when the shooting took place, nor did he ever fire the weapons used to kill the president and Officer J.D. Tippet.   In any case, the weapons allegedly used to commit these murders were not the ones used in reality.

[Left-Field]

TheMacGuffin, on 15 July 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

According to this 2012 lecture by Jim Fetzer, none of the official version of the JFK assassination is true.

I can't say that would surprise me. I think most who look into the JFK assassination without a foregone conclusion will come away with the belief that things did not occur in the manner the government has told us they did and would like us to believe.  

TheMacGuffin, on 15 July 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

Oswald was not on the 6th floor of the School Book Depository when the shooting took place, nor did he ever fire the weapons used to kill the president and Officer J.D. Tippet.

If I recall correctly, a policeman (and / or other witnesses) located Oswald on the 4th floor of the depository calmly drinking a soda (and I think eating a sandwich) within a minute or so of the shooting. They noted that he was not out of breath.

Basically, his demeanor made it very unlikely that he had just shot the President from the 6th floor of the depository and then ran down to the fourth floor where he decided to have himself a beverage rather than get out of the area as quickly as possible.

For this reason it is very unlikely that Oswald was on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting and that he ever fired a weapon at Kennedy.

TheMacGuffin, on 15 July 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

In any case, the weapons allegedly used to commit these murders were not the ones used in reality.

I'm not too familar with the particulars of this claim, but I know there is apparently fair reason to believe the rifle presented as the weapon Oswald used to shoot the President was not the actual weapon fired.

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 15 July 2012 - 06:31 AM.

[TheMacGuffin]

Angel Left Wing, on 15 July 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

I'm not too familar with the particulars of this claim, but I know there is apparently fair reason to believe the rifle presented as the weapon Oswald used to shoot the President was not the actual weapon fired.

This documentary basically demolishes the Warren Commission and the official version.  It shows that they had three different rifles being identified as the one Oswald used, and that they had him shooting Tippett with a revolver but the bullets came from an automatic.  They didn't even have the right magazines for the rifle that Oswald supposedly used.  

The autopsy pictures and documents on JFK were not only bogus but actually contradicted each other, but the basic point was that they were trying to conceal that he was hit twice from the front.  

And then there were people like Frank Sturgis who admitted that they were part of assassination, but nothing was ever done about it.

And so on, and so on.

[TheMacGuffin]

He also makes the case that contrary to what is being shown in the (edited versions) of the Zapruder film, the presidential limo not only slowed down when the shooting began but actually STOPPED for 3-4 seconds, while JFK was hit at least two more times.

[wolfknight]

If you watch the old video files and watch JFK's head. His head snaps backwards not forwards. Supposely the shooter shot him in the back of the head which would cause a forward snap in the head. Instead the head snapping backwards. The gun that Oswald supposely used was not a acrate weapon.
Jack Rudy was paid over to kill Oswald to keep him from talking. Rudy was involded heavily in the mod.

[booNyzarC]

Jim Fetzer is probably one of the last people I would ever turn to for accuracy in historical or technical analysis of any kind.

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booNyzarC, on 17 July 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

Jim Fetzer is probably one of the last people I would ever turn to for accuracy in historical or technical analysis of any kind.

I've never heard of him before (and haven't watched the video yet). Why is it that you question his accuracy on such things?

Is there any proponent of any conspiracy theory that you do, or would, not think negatively of?

Also, in regards to the JFK assassination, do you believe the government's version of events? If not, do you believe the government played a role in the cover-up and / or in planning and carrying out the assassination itself?

[Rlyeh]

TheMacGuffin, on 15 July 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

In any case, the weapons allegedly used to commit these murders were not the ones used in reality.

So they were like fantasy weapons then?

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Rlyeh, on 17 July 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

So they were like fantasy weapons then?

Um, no.

It would simply mean that if I shot John Doe with 'Gun A,' but it was never found (or purposely kept hidden upon being found for some reason) and the police then produced 'Gun B' and said that it was the gun I used to shoot John Doe, it would be false information.

That wouldn't make the real weapon actually used in the shooting, 'Gun A,' a fantasy weapon at all. 'Gun B' wouldn't be a fantasy weapon either. It just wouldn't be the real weapon that was used in the shooting of John Doe.

Do you understand now?

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 17 July 2012 - 09:12 PM.

[TheMacGuffin]

Rlyeh, on 17 July 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

So they were like fantasy weapons then?

No, the weapons and bullets were fatal enough, but they just weren't the ones that the official investigations claimed.  Tippett was killed with an automatic yet the official investigations claimed it was a revolver.  They also had three different rifles that they asserted the Oswald had used, or at least they had pictures of them, but none of them were fired at JFK.  It is very likely that the actual weapons used were Mauser's with silencers.

[TheMacGuffin]

booNyzarC, on 17 July 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

Jim Fetzer is probably one of the last people I would ever turn to for accuracy in historical or technical analysis of any kind.

I didn't see anything in this documentary that I disagreed with, including the fact that JFK and Connelly were hit from the front and back, that there was more than one shooter, and that Oswald never killed anyone.  He wasn't even on the 6th Floor of the School Book Depository when the shooting took place.  I also agree with him that the autopsy pictures and records were altered to make it appear that there was only one shooter, firing from behind.

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TheMacGuffin, on 18 July 2012 - 06:28 AM, said:

I also agree with him that the autopsy pictures and records were altered to make it appear that there was only one shooter, firing from behind.

It wasn't just the records that were altered, Kennedy's actual body was altered. The entire autopsy was conducted poorly, and intentionally so.

[Antilles]

Oswald did not act alone. You only need 2 people for a conspiracy. There was another shooter on the grassy knoll, behind the picket fence.

[Rlyeh]

Antilles, on 18 July 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Oswald did not act alone. You only need 2 people for a conspiracy. There was another shooter on the grassy knoll, behind the picket fence.

[regi]

I don't know if it's because I'm a lifelong Texan, but if there are any conspiracy theories that I'm absolutely sick-to-death of, it's those surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy.
Oswald was a nut-job who turned cold-blooded murderer, and yes, I believe he acted alone.
Since that's the official record, then it's up to those who don't believe it to disprove it, and half a century later, they have not.