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#16    freetoroam

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:19 PM

View Postredhen, on 02 February 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Supply and demand. There seems to be a fast growing Muslim population in Europe. Also, the moment you criticize Kosher or Halal slaughter methods, you are immediately labelled an anti-Semite or Islamophobe.

In the same article, the director of the World Halal Forum Europe Project, Abdalhamid Evans, cites Temple Grandin as his authority on animal welfare. Ms Grandin has become somewhat of a celebrity because of her autism which allegedly allows her some kind of special ability to know what cattle are feeling. Her celebrity status has even her earned an HBO movie.

The scary part is this women has "designed over 50% cattle slaughterhouses in the country". She thinks that slitting an animals throat, without stunning it first, and letting it bleed to death is a perfectly acceptable ethical practice. If you search for "kosher halal animal welfare" in google, the second article at the top of the list is her paper on Kosher and Halal slaughter,and how humane it can be.

Naturally she has her critics,  but she keeps telling governments and meat processors exactly what they want to hear, so it's going to be a big challenge to change this bizarre and inhumane practice.

Here's a good summary of the problem with Ms Grandin;

"The article reports that after watching the rotating pen hang cows upside down and then slit their throats, slaughterhouse workers now listen for signs of consciousness before dumping the cows’ bodies. Grandin used her divine gift of intuition and many years of animal behavior expertise to access the situation: “I didn’t hear any cows mooing,” Grandin said. “When they do things wrong, cows moo.”

Am I wrong to be annoyed by Temple Grandin’s existence? It’s not that I don’t like her. It’s just that I’m irritated by the way people flock to her for answers as though she were some sort of psychic bridge connecting humans to the minds of animals. Why don’t people take a much shorter leap of faith and listen to the voice in their heads that says all living creatures wanna keep on living, they don’t wanna die in some multi-million dollar “humane” slaughter complex?"
They can call me anti-Semite or Islamophobe. if they like, I call them MURDERERS!
I agree with your post, as for that Grandi woman, i would love to have a face to face conversation with her, I take NO BRIBES.

All slaughter houses have to have a vet present to ensure the animals are stun and killed humanely, obviously here they are getting around this with their religious loophole and bribes, and the fact that some of the vets are muslims!!!!!!!(thats one loophole they got out of with out the stupid lefty human rights brigade man seeing it coming)
I do not care what that woman is or what she says, what they are doing is barbaric...no buts about it.

Edited by freetoroam, 02 February 2013 - 07:20 PM.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:25 PM

View Postpallidin, on 02 February 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

What about non-mammal fish, shrimp, etc...  netted or captured, brought out of the water, suffocate, and eventually becomes someone's meal?

Is that inhumane?
Yep, thats also inhumane. Anything which goes through a slow death is inhumane. But nature can be very cruel, and all animals have to live, when you see the way some of the wild life catch their prey, its pretty awful, death by nature can be much worse.....it does not help though when the top of the food chain who should know better, are making it even worse because of a religion....there is no need for slaughtering today, most humans have evolved from that barbaric ritual....yes, its a ritual, NOT just another part of natures ways.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:44 PM

View Postpallidin, on 02 February 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

What about non-mammal fish, shrimp, etc...  netted or captured, brought out of the water, suffocate, and eventually becomes someone's meal?

Is that inhumane?

Do you need to consume "seafood" in order to survive? If not, then killing them is unnecessary, and therefore by definition, cruel.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:46 PM

The horse meat is wrong because they were lying about it by saying it was beef.
also it's not safe because it's got tranqulisers in it.
Also there's pork been found in halal meat.
Who are the muppets they've got working for them?


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:57 PM

View Postali smack, on 03 February 2013 - 11:46 PM, said:

The horse meat is wrong because they were lying about it by saying it was beef.
also it's not safe because it's got tranqulisers in it.
Also there's pork been found in halal meat.
Who are the muppets they've got working for them?
The horse meat sold in countries like France, do not have tranquilisers in, only horses which were not bred to go on a supermarket shelves have tranquilisers.
.Also the disgrace is not finding pork in halal meats, the disgrace is halal.
But ofcourse it is wrong to sell something other than what has been described, strict laws were put in place to stop that.
I also have heard the horse meat is from Poland....I would like to know if the people who were buying it and putting it in other meats will now get severely prosecuted and never allowed to trade again as opposed to a fine.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:22 PM

Just to confirm, the meat was imported from Poland to Ireland, then mixed and sent to England, probably as Irish beef. These horse meat have traveled a bit before it hit the plates.
Maybe we will get an explanation from Poland now???? will not be holding breathe. Wonder how many other countries have been buying their "beef" from Poland?

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.




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