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[MissMelsWell]

DieChecker, on 06 November 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

I think that is one of the Great Things of our Republic. If you are doing well, you can vote to keep who is running things. If you are not doing well, you can vote for the new guy. Of course, anyone can vote for whomever they like and many vote against their own self interests... and that is interesting too.

I'm actually voting to keep all my friends and family working. 4.5 years ago I had no less than 8 friends who wound up out of work, and trying to pay for mortgages on houses that nearly overnight lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in value. Today, ALL of those 8 people have work again, their homes are leveled out and have gained some of their value back. Bush's wars, policies and lack of oversight in banking caused all that. It's all turning around now, slowly, but turning it around.

I saw an interesting graphic today that showed the social differences between the Reps and the Dems. It labeled the Republicans as the Moral party ,and Democrats as the Ethical party. It was extremely interesting and I'll see if I can come up with the illustration and post it. It's one of those things that make you go Hmm.

What we lack in this country is a balance of morals and ethics. I always tend to lean to the ethical side before the moral side though. Always have.

Edited by MissMelsWell, 06 November 2012 - 09:40 PM.

[joc]

MissMelsWell, on 06 November 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

I'm actually voting to keep all my friends and family working. 4.5 years ago I had no less than 8 friends who wound up out of work, and trying to pay for mortgages on houses that nearly overnight lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in value. Today, ALL of those 8 people have work again, their homes are leveled out and have gained some of their value back. Bush's wars, policies and lack of oversight in banking caused all that. It's all turning around now, slowly, but turning it around.

I saw an interesting graphic today that showed the social differences between the Reps and the Dems. It labeled the Republicans as the Moral party ,and Democrats as the Ethical party. It was extremely interesting and I'll see if I can come up with the illustration and post it. It's one of those things that make you go Hmm.

What we lack in this country is a balance of morals and ethics. I always tend to lean to the ethical side before the moral side though. Always have.

As much as I like you, and I do like you...Bush didn't cause the banking crisis and we were ruthlessly attacked by terrorists.  Those are just facts.  Moral Majority...Ethical Majority?  Really what you are talking about is the Majority of the American People...who are...both...Ethical and Moral.  In Washington...there aren't many ethics and morals??  If Clinton and Lewinsky are moral value poster children...then I am Jesus!  And that's just one example.  Anyway...I know you voted your heart...and when your heart is broken later this evening...my shoulder will still be here for you to cry on.  

[Dan'O]

I did not like the fact that the US Government basically supplied large amounts of weapons to Mexican drug cartel's and then b****ed about US guns in Mexico. I do not like that one of our Border Patrol agents was killed because of it. I do not like the current admin's appointed head of the Justice Department being in contempt of congress over all of it. I do not like socialized medicine. I have seen enough VA hospitals and Native American clinics and hospitals to know that the private sector does just fine without government control or oversight. And I do not want to be taxed for it either. I did not like the Administration telling us that the reason that our embassy was attacked and our Ambassador was killed was because of some stupid YOUTUBE video. I do not like that our President was all smiles and out campaigning hours after, when multiple embassies were being attacked across many countries and people were dying. I do not like the fact that they basically lied and are continuing to lie and spin that story. I do not like the fact that the admin bullied a AZ sheriff and refused to enforce immigration law. I do not like cities, states and groups that have basically done the same.

I do not like that the once-proud State of California and others haves gone downhill with multiple cities declaring bankruptcy. I am mainly putting the left, mass social programs and union-inspired pensions to blame here. I am aware that other factors are at play as well. The economy and jobs growth are in the toilet. And using the lame excuse of inheriting the problem after 4 years is stupid and a cop-out.

I do not like the networks and others for essentially ignoring many of these serious issues and blatantly and blindly backing the current admin. I do not like selective clips and even manipulation of data, footage and or audio by clear and proven Admin. backers in the media. You also basically provided zero info on certain candidates 4 years ago. Why? You SOBs got some **** coming. Not from me but you guys got it coming and I will not weep when it happens.Academia is not far behind. it is all very unfortunate really.

There are a few things I actually like and some more I don't but they seem trivial when compared to these issues.

I am not voting for Romney because I am some far-right ultra conservative, blind follower. I do believe in evolution, a woman's right to choose and decriminalizing MJ despite vile, fascist far left views and close-minded, preconceived notions on anyone daring to vote for a Republican. Those types of generalizations by liberal freaks are sad and pathetic. I am voting for Romney/Ryan because of the reasons I stated.

[F3SS]

Ok, got home from work and headed straight to the polls. Voted Romney, 4 libertarians and 1 other republican and voted no choice on two unchallenged dems vs a write in...
The constable watching over the place said that in my district there are 1200 registered voters and already, as of 6 o'clock, over 700 have been in to vote. There were still 2 hours left. Lots of motivation out there. Nearly everyone I know of is voting Romney except one of my best friends. We lost him to the left. Can't figure it out and he has no good explanation. I did my best to pursway him in the right direction today. On the plus side I got at least two first time voters to vote this year and for Romney.
Now I kick back and watch the fiasco unfold for the rest of the night....

[The New Richard Nixon]

joc, on 06 November 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

As much as I like you, and I do like you...Bush didn't cause the banking crisis and we were ruthlessly attacked by terrorists.  Those are just facts.  Moral Majority...Ethical Majority?  Really what you are talking about is the Majority of the American People...who are...both...Ethical and Moral.  In Washington...there aren't many ethics and morals??  If Clinton and Lewinsky are moral value poster children...then I am Jesus!  And that's just one example.  Anyway...I know you voted your heart...and when your heart is broken later this evening...my shoulder will still be here for you to cry on.  

So how much did Bush spend? Billlions

[Mr. Smith]

The Nobama butt hurt has begun. I ran into quite a few cranks at work today, all up in a hissy because they already knew the socialist commie fascist baby hating muslim loving tax happy anti christ was gonna win. It was fun to watch. Let the 1000 years of darkness begin! Muhahahah.

[Jeremiah65]

Mr. Smith, on 07 November 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

The Nobama butt hurt has begun. I ran into quite a few cranks at work today, all up in a hissy because they already knew the socialist commie fascist baby hating muslim loving tax happy anti christ was gonna win. It was fun to watch. Let the 1000 years of darkness begin! Muhahahah.

I think your Freudian slip says it all.  Glad you came out of the closet.  Congratulations.

[Mr. Smith]

Jeremiah65, on 07 November 2012 - 12:38 AM, said:

I think your Freudian slip says it all.  Glad you came out of the closet.  Congratulations.

They were cranky because they knew Obama was going to win. Not sure how that refers to any closet or freudian slip. After being stuck in an environment where only tin foil hat wearing, hateful rush limbaugh quoting ann coulter worshipping racist fools could talk about politics it was nice to see them eating some crow. That's all.  

[F3SS]

^ Who sounds hateful?

[Jeremiah65]

Mr. Smith, on 07 November 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

They were cranky because they knew Obama was going to win. Not sure how that refers to any closet or freudian slip. After being stuck in an environment where only tin foil hat wearing, hateful rush limbaugh quoting ann coulter worshipping racist fools could talk about politics it was nice to see them eating some crow. That's all.  

My apologies, I completely misunderstood your post.

I was not hoping for a Romney or Obama win.  To me, they are two wings of the same bird of prey.






Both are Crony capitalist...one sells his snake oil to the poor and middle class and the other peddles his "tonic" to the rich.  I don't feel that my life will be any better or any more free regardless which one wins....



I'm not going to blow up or lose my mind over it...just disappointed that people do not understand the "fleecing" they are being handed...

[Mr. Smith]

-Mr_Fess-, on 07 November 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

^ Who sounds hateful?

Not hateful, cheerful. Do need more jumping smileys?

[Mr. Smith]

Jeremiah65, on 07 November 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

My apologies, I completely misunderstood your post.

I was not hoping for a Romney or Obama win.  To me, they are two wings of the same bird of prey.






Both are Crony capitalist...one sells his snake oil to the poor and middle class and the other peddles his "tonic" to the rich.  I don't feel that my life will be any better or any more free regardless which one wins....



I'm not going to blow up or lose my mind over it...just disappointed that people do not understand the "fleecing" they are being handed...

I understand where you are coming from, trust me. I don't expect Obama to do diddly squat for me. But the lying, greedy, scheming neocons are staying out of the white house and that's enough to to make me sleep just a little bit better. In a perfect world we could vote for liberal libertarians vs. conservative libertarians.

[acidhead]

MissMelsWell, on 06 November 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

All I know is that before Obama was elected I had lost my job, never had health insurance even when I was working, and my house lost WAY more value than it should have. That's on Bush.

In the last 4 years I've secured a job one in which I've received several generous raises and bonuses, my house has regained enough value to where I believe I could get for it what it's actualy worth for my area, I have health insurance, my BF is also back to work after being out of work for almost 18 months. In fact, I have NO friends out of work right now which was NOT the case in 2008. I even bought premium gas today for $3.25 a gallon.

I dunno, seems to me things are going pretty good now.

   GWB didn't deregulated the banks..... that was done under the slick talking liar Bill Clinton.... funny how GWB gets blamed for everything that has happened poorly in America.

[Mr. Smith]

acidhead, on 07 November 2012 - 03:08 AM, said:

   GWB didn't deregulated the banks..... that was done under the slick talking liar Bill Clinton.... funny how GWB gets blamed for everything that has happened poorly in America.

IDK either, maybe because we still expect the POTUS to sort of act like an ethical top cop when he knows some shady sh it is going on? Just because it isn't illegal doesn't mean its right. In that respect, from Iraq to Wall Street, Bush failed us all.

Clinton was advised the deregs could work wonders by our best economists, and if people played ethically they would have. Bush saw the abuses unfold and chose to do nothing until it was too late.

[MissMelsWell]

joc, on 06 November 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

As much as I like you, and I do like you...Bush didn't cause the banking crisis and we were ruthlessly attacked by terrorists.  Those are just facts.  Moral Majority...Ethical Majority?  Really what you are talking about is the Majority of the American People...who are...both...Ethical and Moral.  In Washington...there aren't many ethics and morals??  If Clinton and Lewinsky are moral value poster children...then I am Jesus!  And that's just one example.  Anyway...I know you voted your heart...and when your heart is broken later this evening...my shoulder will still be here for you to cry on.  

Romney is starting to struggle now... sorry brother, I have a feeling I may need to offer you my shoulder.  

I think you missed my point regarding Ethics vs Morals. This is the graphic I'm speaking of... it rings true in many many ways.