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#16    Sakari

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:19 PM

View PostWalnut Whip, on 02 December 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

I think people need to get over the hang-up of old habits dying hard because they're a sub-species of the grey wolf.
I can assure you if I statistically place Jammie Dodgers all over the house during the day my dogs are happy as larry.
But I'm sure they prefer meat especially sausages which gets them climbing up on the kitchen units.
Don't forget that humans have canines too and don't crave meat on a regular basis.
I'll admit though they are pretty handy when chowing down on a juicy steak.
So the original threadstarter can feed a dog whatever the eck they want.
However I gather cats are more fussy so you can't force feed them vegetables.
Lady Kasey made a significant point about them living in the wild.
They could well revert to type without our influence.




It is not about what they " like ", it is about what they " need "......


I had posted a quote from a Vet, you should check Vet sites, and call yours and ask also. When it comes to medical advice, I do not think it should matter if it is for a animal or a human, we should not be able to give it on this site.



So yes, he/she can feed his/her dog whatever they want........Someone said it was ok on the internet, so it must be ok.

If / when your dog(s) die or get sick, maybe then you will have realized they may have been poisoned, or not given things they needed. And should have asked a Vets advice.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:21 AM

View PostSakari, on 02 December 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:






It is not about what they " like ", it is about what they " need "......


I had posted a quote from a Vet, you should check Vet sites, and call yours and ask also. When it comes to medical advice, I do not think it should matter if it is for a animal or a human, we should not be able to give it on this site.



So yes, he/she can feed his/her dog whatever they want........Someone said it was ok on the internet, so it must be ok.

If / when your dog(s) die or get sick, maybe then you will have realized they may have been poisoned, or not given things they needed. And should have asked a Vets advice.
Cheers for pointing out my flaws...
If I had said "within reason" after "whatever they eck they want",the vets wouldn't be in arms as much.
I thought my original statement was quite arrogant and further proof you need to think before you post.
I was just too focused on Jammie Dodgers at the exemption of others which is rather silly.
Of course I knew about chocolate and onions being dangerous to dogs. And that's only the ones I know about.
I'm glad you put me straight because we could had ended up with sick pooches showing up everywhere.
So on that note I apologise from the bottom of my heart for some misguided advice.
That goes out especially to the original threadstarter.

Edited by Walnut Whip, 03 December 2012 - 12:23 AM.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:42 AM

View PostWalnut Whip, on 03 December 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

Cheers for pointing out my flaws...
If I had said "within reason" after "whatever they eck they want",the vets wouldn't be in arms as much.
I thought my original statement was quite arrogant and further proof you need to think before you post.
I was just too focused on Jammie Dodgers at the exemption of others which is rather silly.
Of course I knew about chocolate and onions being dangerous to dogs. And that's only the ones I know about.
I'm glad you put me straight because we could had ended up with sick pooches showing up everywhere.
So on that note I apologise from the bottom of my heart for some misguided advice.
That goes out especially to the original threadstarter.


Wow....Take the reply a little personal?......All that I did is reply in a discussion. And posted my opinion on the matter.

UM needs a Counseling topic, where we all can learn to have discussions, and read feedback without getting all upset.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:36 AM

View PostSakari, on 03 December 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:




Wow....Take the reply a little personal?......All that I did is reply in a discussion. And posted my opinion on the matter.

UM needs a Counseling topic, where we all can learn to have discussions, and read feedback without getting all upset.
I couldn't well leave it unanswered after setting a dangerous precedent.
What would be even worse is either you ignore my original post or I ignore yours.
However I'm sure all dog lovers should have realised my accidental mistake.
It's an issue that needed to be addressed and stop an avalanche of disgruntled dog owners.
I replied in a clear,concise manner that you couldn't confuse for somebody blowing their top.
I'm sure other posters would have interpreted it differently.
A UM counselling topic could come in handy but I'm not volunteering for it's services.
Why should I when I'm usually cool as a cucumber anyway.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:31 PM

Try waving a brussels sprout under the beak of a peregrine falcon and see what happens!

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:31 PM

View Postealdwita, on 03 December 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Try waving a brussels sprout under the beak of a peregrine falcon and see what happens!

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I eat meat, I feed my dog meat.
My beef, ahem is with Vegans and Veggies who stand on platforms and spout their beliefs yet have pets that they feed... on meat? or not? and what they have to say.
I thank you all for your responses, but I really want the Vegan/Veggies who own pets to respond. Maybe there aren't any on UM?

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:06 PM

My late and old faithful hound Charlie wouldn't eat any veg I snuck into his dinner bowl

I remember we used to save him the left overs from our roast dinners, he loved them.. But, when I tried adding in some veg, he refused to eat it..  In fact, what my dog used to do if he found veg in his bowl along with the meat, he would take each piece of veg out and lined them up in a row beside his bowl, and he carried on eating his dinner

Sometimes you would go out and see, a row of broccoli and sprouts next to his bowl, and he has that look on his face as if to say - "Don't try and feed me that muck !!" My dog wasn't having it.. I got away with sneaking doggy vitamins in his dinner, but not the veg, it was is if he felt insulted :P   My dog valued his meat and IAMS, he loved drinking water and at times would sneak cheese off our plates and ran ..He was a sucker for cheese !!

My two cats wouldn't eat any veg, I noticed this when my daughter  who also refuses to eat her veg.. She got up from the dinning table and left some meat, potatoes and sweetcorn mixed with peas  on her plate.. Our tom cat Wallie jumped up and polished off the meat, ate a little potato,  but would not entertain the veg..he sniffed at it and ran off ..His sister Misty is no different, she wont touch veg...

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:30 AM

My dog loves raw carrots, but I am pretty sure he wouldn't want them alone in his dinner bowl..

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

View PostMistydawn, on 09 December 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

My dog loves raw carrots, but I am pretty sure he wouldn't want them alone in his dinner bowl..

I found this article for you..


The Non-Vegan Pet Loophole


Vegans wanting to extend their ethics to every domain under their control often rear their dogs and cats as little furry meat abstainers. Some call this cruelty to animals (a charge that is sometimes undermined by the accusers’ support of factory farming), but if imposing a vegan diet on someone is a form of cruelty, it’s at least a cruelty that vegans are willing to foist upon themselves. Vegans have good reason to fill their omnivorous dogs and carnivorous cats with animal-free kibble: it’s the only way for them to be relatively consistent with their ethics. It’s vegans feeding their rescue pets carcass who open up a vicious anti-vegan loophole.
“If wild animals get to eat other animals, why can’t humans?” is a stock question that vegans get a lot, and seasoned veggie apologists have their retorts ready. Unless they are obsessed with suffering reduction, most vegans are happy to wash their hands of what animals do to each other when humans aren’t looking. Wild creatures don’t live by complex ethical frameworks, so no ethics are breached when a porpoise eats a fish. As long as humans aren’t involved, what happens in nature stays in nature.

Also relevant, vegans say, is that humans have tamed the land to produce vegetables, fruits and grains, somewhat at our whim, making it possible for us to live without eating meat. Eating meat becomes cruel the exact moment it is possible to survive without it. Wild animals, who lack the intelligence and opposable digits required to plant, harvest and write out ethical screeds, can’t be blamed for eating meat; they have no choice.
But a variation of this question can highlight the culpability of (some) vegans in a scenario that hits closer to home. Something like: “If you don’t have a problem with buying meat for your pets, why do you have a problem with me buying meat for myself?”
Read more here -> http://letthemeatmea...an-pet-loophole


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:43 PM

Someone gave me some issues of Vegetarian Times magazine.   I saw that there were advertisements for vegetarian dog and cat food.   So the stuff exists out there, but I don't know of any studies on how well the pets do if they only eat these products.

I know cats are considered almost exclusively carnivorous, more than dogs.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:45 PM

All the cats I had  were probably going to hell anyway. They were naughty, so it doesn't matter what they eat! :P

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:10 AM

View PostMistydawn, on 30 November 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

As a Vegan or Vegetarian, how do you justify feeding your cat or dog with meat products?
Or if fyou don't, what do you feed them?
I know a vegan who tried feeding her cat only vegan food.
It died.





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