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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:27 PM

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A day after we learned of a draining turf battle between the NSA and other law enforcement agencies over bulk surveillance data, it now appears that those same agencies are working together to cover up when that data gets shared.

The Drug Enforcement Administration has been the recipient of multiple tips from the NSA. DEA officials in a highly secret office called the Special Operations Division are assigned to handle these incoming tips, according to Reuters. Tips from the NSA are added to a DEA database that includes “intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records.” This is problematic because it appears to break down the barrier between foreign counter-terrorism investigations and ordinary domestic criminal investigations.

Because the SOD’s work is classified, DEA cases that began as NSA leads can’t be seen to have originated from a NSA source.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:38 PM

"DEA cases that began as NSA leads"?

So what!
Maybe it means less cocaine, heroin and other highly destructive drugs are smuggled to warp our children. I have ZERO problem with that.

May God Bless the DEA and NSA. Don't like that? Too bad.

Edited by pallidin, 05 August 2013 - 06:40 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:45 PM

View Postpallidin, on 05 August 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

"DEA cases that began as NSA leads"?

So what!
Maybe it means less cocaine, heroin and other highly destructive drugs are smuggled to warp our children. I have ZERO problem with that.

May God Bless the DEA and NSA. Don't like that? Too bad.

so the NSA should also give the data to other agencies, like the ATF, just as an example?

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:45 PM

Ahh Pallidin, I know your positions well!

Yes, we have the government we deserve.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:47 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 August 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

so the NSA should also give the data to other agencies, like the ATF, just as an example?

If they are felons, yes. Why not!!!


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:48 PM

View Postpallidin, on 05 August 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

If they are felons, yes. Why not!!!

we are talking about your data. Nobody is a felon unless convicted

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:49 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 05 August 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

Ahh Pallidin, I know your positions well!

Yes, we have the government we deserve.

And I know your position. You would prefer NO government. That's a criminal mentality.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:49 PM

View Postpallidin, on 05 August 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

"DEA cases that began as NSA leads"?

So what!
Maybe it means less cocaine, heroin and other highly destructive drugs are smuggled to warp our children. I have ZERO problem with that.

May God Bless the DEA and NSA. Don't like that? Too bad.

So you are OK with a police state that monitors ALL of iis citizens communications without due process for any and all crimes?

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Documents obtained by Reuters reveal that DEA agents or other law enforcement agencies are supplied with information used from "classified" sources to initiate investigations but that internal protocols demand that investigators then "recreate" the source of where the information came from so to keep SOD's involvement off the books.
http://www.commondre...line/2013/08/05

They have yo cover it up because the information is being obtained in an illegal way.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:50 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 August 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

we are talking about your data. Nobody is a felon unless convicted

Not true.  The person who commits a felony is a felon.  A person who gets convicted in a court for that felony is a convicted felon.

There are many many UNconvicted felons in this country, most of them are elected or appointed men in our corrupt government.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:55 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 August 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

we are talking about your data. Nobody is a felon unless convicted

My data? What data? I don't go to kiddie porn sites nor engage in any other felonious activity.

So, I couldn't care less if the NSA spies on me. And guess what! They couldn't care less about me either. !!!!!
So my privacy is maintained because they don't give a damn about me.

They have bigger fish to fry, and I'm not even in the lake.

So stop with this paranoia already.

Edited by pallidin, 05 August 2013 - 06:56 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:57 PM

View Postpallidin, on 05 August 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

My data? What data? I don't go to kiddie porn sites nor engage in any other felonious activity.

So, I could'nt care less if the NSA spies on me. And guess what! They could'nt care less about me either.
So my privacy is maintained because they don't give a damn about me.

They have bigger fish to fry, and I'm not even in the lake.

So stop with this paranoia already.

You don't have to be involved in anything to be caught up in a dragnet operation, and especially not in a dragnet computer surveillance. Being on this site, where some very extreme positions against the government are voiced (some even advocating revolutions) is enough.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:59 PM

So Pallidin, does this mean that we are an unprincipled nation for the most part?  That we don't give a damn about legal principles and stuff?

That we embrace torture and indefinite detention?  My, my.....


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:05 PM

View Postpallidin, on 05 August 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:


So stop with this paranoia already.

If you are comfortable that your government is monitoring all communications on all citizens and then using this information to prosecute ALL "criminal activity" with no due process (warrants etc.) you are going totally against the constitution. Citizens have the right to privacy and the government must follow proper procedures.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:07 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 05 August 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

So Pallidin, does this mean that we are an unprincipled nation for the most part?  That we don't give a damn about legal principles and stuff?

That we embrace torture and indefinite detention?  My, my.....

Yes, that is correct. The government is unprincipled and the citizens don´t seem to care.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:10 PM

View Postjugoso, on 05 August 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Yes, that is correct. The government is unprincipled and the citizens don´t seem to care.

Many 'citizens' are as unprincipled as the government.  They support government lawlessness, and defend it in public dialogue.  They rationalize it, or worse, outright support it completely, as is the case here.





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