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[QuiteContrary]

Eldorado, on 16 February 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

After the singing, the air is full of the singer's spit.  That's my useless opinion, if indeed there was no snow.

(Get too close to some singers, you're in danger of drowning.  Especially those chanters with dentures!)

Hahaha! I love to laugh and I love your posts, El.

[Rafterman]

notforgotten, on 16 February 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

The psychic, writer of the OP and myself know that there are orbs in that picture. I do not have to prove anything to anyone. Sorry for your lack of experience. The next time that you need your car fixed, go to someone that lacks experience and I can assure you that he'll get it wrong.

Let's sit the orbs aside for a minute.  Your psychic claims that there was a Native American burial claim nearby.  Can he/she share any historical evidence that this is true?

[Archimedes]

Rafterman, on 17 February 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

Let's sit the orbs aside for a minute.  Your psychic claims that there was a Native American burial claim nearby.  Can he/she share any historical evidence that this is true?

In fairness, it was the opening posts writer (BWoodard55) who wrote the original story and claimed the Native American thing, not notforgotten, who just seems to have latched onto the story and "knows" it to be true for reasons unknown.

But this just makes notforgotten's claims even more detached from reality as he is claiming knowledge of the existence "Holy Spirit" in a snowy picture of unknown providence posted by someone he presumably doesn't know and can't verify their story.

Edited by Archimedes, 18 February 2013 - 12:43 AM.

[Moon Gazer]

Looks exactly like snow to me, I got lots of pics like that.

[notforgotten]

Archimedes, on 18 February 2013 - 12:40 AM, said:

In fairness, it was the opening posts writer (BWoodard55) who wrote the original story and claimed the Native American thing, not notforgotten, who just seems to have latched onto the story and "knows" it to be true for reasons unknown.

But this just makes notforgotten's claims even more detached from reality as he is claiming knowledge of the existence "Holy Spirit" in a snowy picture of unknown providence posted by someone he presumably doesn't know and can't verify their story.

  Why are you attacking me personally? All I've done is give my personal experienced opinion. I'm not not looking to prove anything to anyone. You do not know of me nor my experiences. You nor I can prove anything in regards to the OP. So why don't we just leave it at that. Personally, I'm not looking for arguments. I'm a Christian and would rather avoid affliction.

Edited by notforgotten, 18 February 2013 - 10:14 PM.

[Archimedes]

If you think that's a "personal attack" you need to grow a thicker skin.  Asking you to defend your claim that you posit as fact that you know to be true is not a personal attack.  It is a reasonable request on a web forum where people are expect to do something more than simply assert that they know certain things to be true when they appear to everyone else to be something else.  When someone posts a picture of snow and claims it to contain spirit orbs and you say you know that to be true, it is not unreasonable to ask you how you know it's not just what it looks like, a picture of falling snow.

You made the positive claim that you know that a photo that looks just like falling snow contains a genuine 'orb' of the Holy Spirit in it.

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There is the face of a spirit in the "orb". I've taken thousands of such pictures myself and know what I see. It's the holy spirit ("orb") that brings evil spirits into ones life as temporal punishment for sin - usually drugs.

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The psychic, writer of the OP and myself know that there are orbs in that picture.

You shouldn't be making such positive and grandiose claims if you're going to think being asked to back up said claims as a personal attack.

Anyway, where's the face in that "orb" I posted above?

Edited by Archimedes, 18 February 2013 - 11:52 PM.

[notforgotten]

Archimedes, on 18 February 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

If you think that's a "personal attack" you need to grow a thicker skin.  Asking you to defend your claim that you posit as fact that you know to be true is not a personal attack.  It is a reasonable request on a web forum where people are expect to do something more than simply assert that they know certain things to be true when they appear to everyone else to be something else.  When someone posts a picture of snow and claims it to contain spirit orbs and you say you know that to be true, it is not unreasonable to ask you how you know it's not just what it looks like, a picture of falling snow.

You made the positive claim that you know that a photo that looks just like falling snow contains a genuine 'orb' of the Holy Spirit in it.

You shouldn't be making such positive and grandiose claims if you're going to think being asked to back up said claims as a personal attack.

Anyway, where's the face in that "orb" I posted above?

I can bear witness, give testimony and my personal experienced opinion and not have to produce any evidence at all on this forum. Can you prove to me that the picture does not contain a genuine orb in it and that the orb is not The Holy Spirit? Nn one has ever been able to prove what orbs really are. There are some of us in the world that believe they are the Holy Spirit. Through my experience, I know that the orb is the Holy Spirit but I do not have to prove this to anyone. If you are so into proof, why don't you try to prove to me that it's not. Second thought, don't bother, you will never be able to do this. You can't prove any of your claims for that matter, so why do you insist on others proving theirs?

[scowl]

notforgotten, on 19 February 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

I can bear witness, give testimony and my personal experienced opinion and not have to produce any evidence at all on this forum. Can you prove to me that the picture does not contain a genuine orb in it and that the orb is not The Holy Spirit?

Is the Holy Spirit different from snow in some way that we can tell the difference? Surely your powerfully strong belief is based on something that can convince us all that your camera flash didn't simply illuminate particles suspended in the air.

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Nn one has ever been able to prove what orbs really are.

So I can't prove that those pictures I took of snowflakes falling weren't actually of the Holy Spirit?

[Archimedes]

notforgotten, on 19 February 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

I can bear witness, give testimony and my personal experienced opinion and not have to produce any evidence at all on this forum. Can you prove to me that the picture does not contain a genuine orb in it and that the orb is not The Holy Spirit? Nn one has ever been able to prove what orbs really are. There are some of us in the world that believe they are the Holy Spirit. Through my experience, I know that the orb is the Holy Spirit but I do not have to prove this to anyone. If you are so into proof, why don't you try to prove to me that it's not. Second thought, don't bother, you will never be able to do this. You can't prove any of your claims for that matter, so why do you insist on others proving theirs?

Whatever.  Can you push when it comes to shove and tell me where the "face" is in this photo that you claimed was a genuine 'orb' that contained a 'face'?  Yes or no? I'm just looking for you to verify your claim.



Inquiring minds want to know..

Edited by Archimedes, 20 February 2013 - 03:36 AM.

[ancient astronaut]

orbs that melt.

[coolguy]

In the second picture the big orb on the right looks like there is a face in it..
But its matraxing

[Abramelin]

notforgotten, on 19 February 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

I can bear witness, give testimony and my personal experienced opinion and not have to produce any evidence at all on this forum. Can you prove to me that the picture does not contain a genuine orb in it and that the orb is not The Holy Spirit? Nn one has ever been able to prove what orbs really are. There are some of us in the world that believe they are the Holy Spirit. Through my experience, I know that the orb is the Holy Spirit but I do not have to prove this to anyone. If you are so into proof, why don't you try to prove to me that it's not. Second thought, don't bother, you will never be able to do this. You can't prove any of your claims for that matter, so why do you insist on others proving theirs?

From YouTube:
This footage shows movement of a dust particle going across the screen to prove that orbs are in this case dust. Orbs can also be caused by moisture, pollen, insects, light of the lens etc causing the same effect. Depending on light and how close the dust is to the camera lens, dust can look quite large in size which is what happened in this case.

You won't have to prove anything notforgotten, and that means your claim is mute.

There's a dollar bill on the surface of Pluto. Prove me wrong.

[Oppono Astos]

notforgotten, on 19 February 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

I can bear witness, give testimony and my personal experienced opinion and not have to produce any evidence at all on this forum. Can you prove to me that the picture does not contain a genuine orb in it and that the orb is not The Holy Spirit? Nn one has ever been able to prove what orbs really are. There are some of us in the world that believe they are the Holy Spirit. Through my experience, I know that the orb is the Holy Spirit but I do not have to prove this to anyone. If you are so into proof, why don't you try to prove to me that it's not. Second thought, don't bother, you will never be able to do this. You can't prove any of your claims for that matter, so why do you insist on others proving theirs?

Orbs are nothing more than image artefacts, particulates illuminated by the camera; this has been demonstrated and proven again and again by empirical research and analysis since the 1990s.  Turn off the camera's flash and IR emitter and then come back with orb photos/videos - never gonna happen.
The Believers' position relies on blind faith, not evidence.

[Brian Topp]

Now Selling Dust Orb in a bag for $29.99.

Step 1: Throw some dust in air
step 2: take photo with digital camera.

[Simbi Laveau]

Brian Topp, on 20 February 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

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Step 1: Throw some dust in air
step 2: take photo with digital camera.

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*waves pom poms*

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Where ya been skeptic debunking man ?