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#106    CommunitarianKevin

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:13 PM

You know...maybe I should just leave...Not just Mr_Fess, but a number of people have brought up my age. They say I demand respect. THEY are the ones bringing age into it. I just want to get the same respect as any person regardless of age. It seems I that I to earn the respect of those that are older than me but I should some how respect them because they are older than me. I learned in the military that sometimes respect is not dependent on age. If I cannot be seen as an equal because I am young, I maybe I should just leave...

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:31 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 02 November 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

You know...maybe I should just leave...Not just Mr_Fess, but a number of people have brought up my age. They say I demand respect. THEY are the ones bringing age into it. I just want to get the same respect as any person regardless of age. It seems I that I to earn the respect of those that are older than me but I should some how respect them because they are older than me. I learned in the military that sometimes respect is not dependent on age. If I cannot be seen as an equal because I am young, I maybe I should just leave...

That is just, absolutely, plain wrong. Seniority doesn't automatically give one respect. Respect are gained, not handed out by default when one gets old, or by a display of force. I know countless of old people who are, and probably always been, prime, state of the art, ***holes.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:35 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 02 November 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

You know...maybe I should just leave...Not just Mr_Fess, but a number of people have brought up my age. They say I demand respect. THEY are the ones bringing age into it. I just want to get the same respect as any person regardless of age. It seems I that I to earn the respect of those that are older than me but I should some how respect them because they are older than me. I learned in the military that sometimes respect is not dependent on age. If I cannot be seen as an equal because I am young, I maybe I should just leave...

Just put the people who are driving you nuts on ignore. Makes the boards much more enjoyable. ;) Then later once the madness of the election has died down you can take them off and try again to have reasonable conversations.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

View PostEllJay, on 02 November 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

That is just, absolutely, plain wrong. Seniority doesn't automatically give one respect. Respect are gained, not handed out by default when one gets old, or by a display of force. I know countless of old people who are, and probably always been, prime, state of the art, ***holes.
Don't let yourself be bullied away.

I know it is wrong...but that does not mean they it does not constantly happen. I have people in the military that out rank me that are younger than me. I have professors that are younger than. The most brillient guy I have ever met is younger than me. He was The professor I had that was younger than me was one of the smartest guys I have seen. He knew so much about so many things. I did not ask him to earn his respect because he was younger. He knowledge spoke for itself. And hell, Hitler and Stalin were older than me and I think their views were extemely flawed. I could make a real long list of idiots that are older than me...

There have been many days where I feel bullied on here. I feel so out numbered with my views. I often find myself defending my points against 2 or 3 or 4 people. I try and stay strong. I try to overcome the majority. It is the only way to make a difference. I have met some with opposing views that I have developed a good relationship with but sometimes I feel overwhelmed. I am here to learn and to teach. I plan on being a teacher. It is how we improve on things. Maybe politics is the wrong topic...politics is like religion...people just do not change it...
I just feel that sometimes I am putting too much time and energy in this site. I work, take care of kids, and go to school for Christ sake. I spend a lot of time and energy posting well thoughout and detail posts to get no response. I don't need people to agree but I would at least like to know they have read it. I feel like I have helped no one on this site. Maybe I should just go away until I have free time. I could better spend this time with my family.

Edited by HuttonEtAl, 02 November 2012 - 08:50 PM.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:53 PM

Maybe if you didn't think about it as "teaching" people and helping them "see the light" and more of a casual conversation among peers you would have more luck. :tu:


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:16 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 02 November 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:



Well most things in this world cannot be explained in a couple of sentences. Would you prefer that I just did 20 little posts? I type if caps when people do not read what I say in normal text...

I try and earn respect by showing my knowledge about a topic and by fully explaining my view. But apparently you are not interested in reading my essays, so I am not sure how to gain your respect.

I do not think they do a much better job at making you understand than my long posts, but here it goes...

It's Bush's fault.

I am not a socialist.

I am a capitalist.

It is not all Obama's fault.

Convinced? Me neither...

But hey, maybe I should just say "screw it." No one ever changes their opinion anyways. Man a couple of you guys had me close on a few things and showed me some things I was not aware of. But screw it...no point in trying to see the other points of view. I will just spend the next 20 years voting for whoever had a D next to their name...

Maybe in 20 years I will be old enough for some of you to even consider giving me respect...

My screw it comment was meant to say hey, it's just the Internet don't get so worked up. Nobody here even really knows eachother. I'm guilty of getting caught up too but eventually we call truce or get yelled at by a mod and its over. It's just silly to get too consumed.

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 02 November 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

You know...maybe I should just leave...Not just Mr_Fess, but a number of people have brought up my age. They say I demand respect. THEY are the ones bringing age into it. I just want to get the same respect as any person regardless of age. It seems I that I to earn the respect of those that are older than me but I should some how respect them because they are older than me. I learned in the military that sometimes respect is not dependent on age. If I cannot be seen as an equal because I am young, I maybe I should just leave...

I only brought up your age because you told us how old you are before. You gave me that ammo. How can I not use it when you condescend? Man I'm only 33, hardly worthy of your respect so far as age is concerned. My girl is your age, not that that really means anything. Just sayin, I'm not discriminating. You must get that phrases like 'this is probably over your head' and similar sayings aren't going to get people to be friendly. This is a website, not the military. There is a no chain of command and respect isn't mandatory but it can be earned.

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 02 November 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

I know it is wrong...but that does not mean they it does not constantly happen. I have people in the military that out rank me that are younger than me. I have professors that are younger than. The most brillient guy I have ever met is younger than me. He was The professor I had that was younger than me was one of the smartest guys I have seen. He knew so much about so many things. I did not ask him to earn his respect because he was younger. He knowledge spoke for itself. And hell, Hitler and Stalin were older than me and I think their views were extemely flawed. I could make a real long list of idiots that are older than me...

There have been many days where I feel bullied on here. I feel so out numbered with my views. I often find myself defending my points against 2 or 3 or 4 people. I try and stay strong. I try to overcome the majority. It is the only way to make a difference. I have met some with opposing views that I have developed a good relationship with but sometimes I feel overwhelmed. I am here to learn and to teach. I plan on being a teacher. It is how we improve on things. Maybe politics is the wrong topic...politics is like religion...people just do not change it...
I just feel that sometimes I am putting too much time and energy in this site. I work, take care of kids, and go to school for Christ sake. I spend a lot of time and energy posting well thoughout and detail posts to get no response. I don't need people to agree but I would at least like to know they have read it. I feel like I have helped no one on this site. Maybe I should just go away until I have free time. I could better spend this time with my family.

You're not being bullied. At least I don't think. You're just incredibly emotional. Like I said man, we are all anonymous here. Blow us off if you need to. I'd agree that you put too much energy into some of your posts. The things I didn't read are things I didn't ask for. I think you become overly defensive. But who cares what I think? That's the point here. One last thing about your 'essay' posts. I think we are all here to learn, converse and cram a pov down someone's throat on occasion but this is Unexplained Mysteries! This isn't a college course in political science. So if noones responding then you either made your point or gave us more than we bargained for. If you need more intellectual conversation you may want to find a more serious forum geared towards that. Noones a dummy here at its base it is a paranormal forum with a great political sub-section. We don't want you to leave. Just loosen up a bit. Oh well, that's my two cents. Take it with a grain of salt. About you being outnumbered... You're a liberal. It's only statistical to be outnumbered :)

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:22 PM

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Or what Michelle said. That was simpler.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:35 PM

View PostMichelle, on 02 November 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

Maybe if you didn't think about it as "teaching" people and helping them "see the light" and more of a casual conversation among peers you would have more luck. :tu:

Maybe that is the one problem with my education major...anyways kids are up...need to tend to them.../

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:35 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 02 November 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

My screw it comment was meant to say hey, it's just the Internet don't get so worked up. Nobody here even really knows eachother. I'm guilty of getting caught up too but eventually we call truce or get yelled at by a mod and its over. It's just silly to get too consumed.
Well...no, it is not just 'the internet' and that is part of the problem.  Real people, real honest to god, feeling, thinking people sit behind these monitors typing their heart and souls onto the face of the world.   I don't really know most of the people I come into contact with on a day to day basis, but I treat them with respect and consider their feelings.  The internet is different though because you cannot SEE the other person...and they seem 'unreal'.

And age has nothing to do with anything.  HuttonEtAl does make some good points, but....
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HuttonEtAl,  I'm not picking on you...I think you know that...but part of the problem with your mindset...IS your education.  What you don't realize (yet...and you may well never realize it) is that you have been indoctrinated by the very ones who you think sought to 'educate' you...and you have been utterly misinformed by the Leftness of their agendas.
Wow...I just said a mouthful and I am sure you probably think I am dissing you but I swear to you I am not.
Bush did not start the war on terror for instance.  Radical Jihadists started it...and they didn't start it when Bush came to town..they started it back in the late 70s when Carter came to town.  

Bush did the best he could to protect the nation against an outside force that attacked us in our heart with a switchblade knife...and most of us think he did a damn good job.   And most of us think Obama has an agenda of his own that has nothing to do with bettering the country...rather, smothering the country.  Bringing it down several notches...any body who cared about the state of the economy could have done a better job than Obama.  

But he is the guy on your side.  What do you do when your favorite football team hires a kickass quarterback...and he looses game after game after game and then at the end of the season you are down 1-15?  You get rid of the qb and hire someone else that hopefully will do a better job.

It really doesn't matter what arguments you or anyone else bring onboard for Obama.  It just doesn't, but please, as I stated before, don't take it personally...it isn't a referendum on YOU...it is a referendum on HIM!  'He stoles our Precious!'
God, I'll be glad when this election is over.
Btw, I've read most of your posts and I have a great deal of respect for you...even if I disagree with most of the things you say in the realm of politics. :)

Edited by joc, 03 November 2012 - 04:40 AM.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:01 AM

View PostGummug, on 31 October 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

Considering what it costs to become president, I don't think we'll ever have one who wants to or can shut down the Federal Reserve, the way Ron Paul wants to (whom I would have supported except for his foreign policy). The last president to the best of my knowledge who tried to shut it down was JFK and we know what happened to him.

Your a neo con Gum? War is at least half this countries problem. The military industrial complex has spend a great deal of time and effort to make you think we are in the right when it comes to our foriegn policy. Its all a big part of the paradigm. Ron Pauls foreign policy is what I like best about him.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:20 AM

Well after this big storm Sandy and seeing all those people cold and freezing, trying to get gas for their generaters,   I hope Rommy wins because he promises to open up our own energy reserves and this will never happen again.We are suppose to get a northeastern snow storm on election day and those people  are going to suffer so much more with out any heat or gas.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:48 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 03 November 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

Well after this big storm Sandy and seeing all those people cold and freezing, trying to get gas for their generaters,   I hope Rommy wins because he promises to open up our own energy reserves and this will never happen again.We are suppose to get a northeastern snow storm on election day and those people  are going to suffer so much more with out any heat or gas.
Didn't we all hear the weather pronosticators dub this Hurricane...FrankenStorm several days before it hit...and weren't they warning the Jersey area well in advance?  Yeah, they were!  So, my question is...where the hell is FEMA?  Obama and his Team knew this storm was coming...they knew it was going to be devastating...why didn't they mass food, water, temp. shelter, blankets and warm clothing in a place relatively close by?  Didn't Obama learn anything from Katrina?   Apparently not!

I am going to remark in a Michelle Obamaish fashion....get ready for it:

I have never been less proud of my country than I am right now.   It is like I live in a third world country where the tyrants just watch the people suffer and do nothing.

And please...I don't want to hear any hypocrits on the left offer ANY excuses for the failures of this Administration where this Storm is concerned...everyone knew it was coming and FEMA did Nothing...and Obama IS Fema....so yeah.  Vote the sob out of office!  And then impeach him in his final pathetic days!

And just one other loving point...when all of your enemies around the world want YOUR leader to stay in power...that should speak VOLUMES !

'Sons of Anarchy' star: Storm aftermath 'a lot worse than how it's being portrayed by media'

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 02:16 PM

^Good for Juice speaking out.
Next to the idiocy of the marathon debacle (btw, have those generators gone somewhere needed yet? Bloombergs a disgraceful human being) the thing that's infuriated me the most about this recovery effort is those union scums berating and kicking out utility workers who drove all the way from Alabama to come help. How despicable. That same thing happened after 9-11-01. People from all over we coming to help and the unions were kicking them out. W t f? All I have to say about that is expletives.

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