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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:54 AM

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ASPEN, Colo. — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie ® on Thursday offered a clear broadside against Republicans drifting toward a more libertarian view of foreign policy, lumping Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) in with them and suggesting they explain their position to victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The House earlier this week narrowly voted against a reduction in funding for the National Security Agency, as libertarian-leaning members from both sides joined together to vote for the amendment.

“As a former prosecutor who was appointed by President George W. Bush on Sept. 10, 2001, I just want us to be really cautious, because this strain of libertarianism that’s going through both parties right now and making big headlines, I think, is a very dangerous thought,” Christie said.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:15 PM

What a RHINO -- he probably weighs as much as one too! Ha! :lol:

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:05 PM

Election is coming up, it is really sad to see a governor trying to get re-elected by slyly saying those with liberal views are supporters of the maniacs who flew the planes into the world trade centers and pentagon, very very sad desperate attempt to elicit followers.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:25 PM

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Election is coming up, it is really sad to see a governor trying to get re-elected by slyly saying those with liberal views are supporters of the maniacs who flew the planes into the world trade centers and pentagon, very very sad desperate attempt to elicit followers.

Unfortunately he has a point. The same Libertains are arming themselves to the teeth so that they can throw off this "corrupt and oppressive" regime - as their second amendment right entitles them to.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 04:32 PM

Title of the thread - Christie goes after libertarians — hard...  And so far, not an innuendo in sight..lol


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 04:37 PM

Christie the Hut needs to back it up "beep-beep-beep"...

The populist libertarian lean of some of the Republicans is kinda refreshing...sort of.

I will wait to see who the actual Libertarian party puts up front. I voted Libertarian in 2008 and 2012...I have my suspicions I will vote Libertarian in 2016...I agree with 85- 90% of the Libertarian platform...can't say that about the typical Republican platform...even if they start "leaning" a little more and more toward "true" libertarian views, they still have quite a way to go to convince me they are for big freedom and small gov.   Telling someone what they can put in their body or what they can take out IS NOT freedom and does not allow for smaller Gov and bureaucracy...someone has to enforce their regulations.

I will say...I like Rand Paul. I am still a bit skittish of him for his rollover and endorsement of Romney while his dad was still in the hunt...to me, that was low brow and bad form...but that is just me. He will have to continue as he has since the filibuster to keep my attention. I am on his email list if that says anything.  His brand of "libertarianism" isn't "true" Libertarianism...it's just selfishness.

Christie...I'm not sure what to say...he seems like a "wiseguy" wannabe. Many people think his rollover and kiss up to Obama was a terrible thing after Superstorm Sandy...I understand that he was buttering the bread to get to the top of the disaster relief list...  He did what he had to do for his state (whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant)...but it made him look bad at the same time to his "party".

Edited by Jeremiah65, 26 July 2013 - 04:38 PM.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 04:44 PM

Most people are arming strictly for defensive purposes. Cause at the rate our liberties are being dismantled, if it continues, one day they are going to cross a line and there will be no turning back. If you dont already have guns by then, it will be to late. Make no mistake, if something happens, they will be the agressors.

Anyhow, as the hearts and minds of the people slowly starting turning back tward a thirst for freedom, comments like these are expected from establishment scum. It wont change anyones mind, but it will only serve to divide further. Its one thing to have political differences, but when a guy like Christie lables a entire movement as dangerous, its only gonna make his followers filled with unwarrented fear.

As for his comments on 9/11, its the families of the victoms who were first calling for a independent investigation. So for him to say they should explain their position to victims of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, is BS. The living victoms have been asking YOU to explain your position on 9/11. Of course anyone who reads the PNAC report from the same year, gets a clear explaination of thier position.

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 26 July 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Title of the thread - Christie goes after libertarians — hard...  And so far, not an innuendo in sight..lol


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 04:48 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 26 July 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

Christie the Hut needs to back it up "beep-beep-beep"...

The populist libertarian lean of some of the Republicans is kinda refreshing...sort of.

I will wait to see who the actual Libertarian party puts up front. I voted Libertarian in 2008 and 2012...I have my suspicions I will vote Libertarian in 2016...I agree with 85- 90% of the Libertarian platform...can't say that about the typical Republican platform...even if they start "leaning" a little more and more toward "true" libertarian views, they still have quite a way to go to convince me they are for big freedom and small gov.   Telling someone what they can put in their body or what they can take out IS NOT freedom and does not allow for smaller Gov and bureaucracy...someone has to enforce their regulations.

I will say...I like Rand Paul. I am still a bit skittish of him for his rollover and endorsement of Romney while his dad was still in the hunt...to me, that was low brow and bad form...but that is just me. He will have to continue as he has since the filibuster to keep my attention. I am on his email list if that says anything.  His brand of "libertarianism" isn't "true" Libertarianism...it's just selfishness.

Christie...I'm not sure what to say...he seems like a "wiseguy" wannabe. Many people think his rollover and kiss up to Obama was a terrible thing after Superstorm Sandy...I understand that he was buttering the bread to get to the top of the disaster relief list...  He did what he had to do for his state (whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant)...but it made him look bad at the same time to his "party".

Man its like you are reading my mind. The only difference is im even more critical of Rand Paul. Though Id vote for him if he made the ticket.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 04:52 PM

As far as the 9-11 comments from Jabba....

Let me outline a Libertarian scenario that is so simple and yet profound.

Had we not been trampling over the middle east for decades to exploit their resources purely for globalist corporate profit...those people would not have hated us so much and would not have had a reason to "retaliate" (in their mind anyway) against the great Satan.

Our meddling and exploitation have made us pretty much hated all over the world.  Sure, we pay off some countries so they can spread propaganda back home that "they love us"...but that is not the truth.  If we would have kept our troops home, secured our national security, fairly traded AND let countries tend to their own sovereign affairs....the tragedy of 9-11 would never have happened...

I know, someone is going to bring up Kuwait and that was different because they were invaded and specifically pleaded for help...everything before and after has been for "something else" besides "spreading democracy"...it's called resource exploitation and profit....for the super mega corporations.  Deep down...we all know this.

Just my opinion though...

Edited by Jeremiah65, 26 July 2013 - 04:53 PM.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 05:10 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 26 July 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:


As for his comments on 9/11, its the families of the victoms who were first calling for a independent investigation. So for him to say they should explain their position to victims of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, is BS. The living victoms have been asking YOU to explain your position on 9/11. Of course anyone who reads the PNAC report from the same year, gets a clear explaination of thier position.




View PostJeremiah65, on 26 July 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

As far as the 9-11 comments from Jabba....

Let me outline a Libertarian scenario that is so simple and yet profound.

Had we not been trampling over the middle east for decades to exploit their resources purely for globalist corporate profit...those people would not have hated us so much and would not have had a reason to "retaliate" (in their mind anyway) against the great Satan.

Our meddling and exploitation have made us pretty much hated all over the world.  Sure, we pay off some countries so they can spread propaganda back home that "they love us"...but that is not the truth.  If we would have kept our troops home, secured our national security, fairly traded AND let countries tend to their own sovereign affairs....the tragedy of 9-11 would never have happened...

I know, someone is going to bring up Kuwait and that was different because they were invaded and specifically pleaded for help...everything before and after has been for "something else" besides "spreading democracy"...it's called resource exploitation and profit....for the super mega corporations.  Deep down...we all know this.

Just my opinion though…

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 08:06 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 26 July 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

Most people are arming strictly for defensive purposes. Cause at the rate our liberties are being dismantled, if it continues, one day they are going to cross a line and there will be no turning back. If you dont already have guns by then, it will be to late. Make no mistake, if something happens, they will be the agressors.

You have to agree that this is paranoia.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 08:14 PM

  

"ASPEN, Colo. — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie ® on Thursday offered a clear broadside against Republicans drifting toward a more libertarian view of foreign policy, lumping Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) in with them and suggesting they explain their position to victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."
I'd be interested to see how Gov. Christie ™ thinks that American foreign policy over the last decade has had anything to do with 9/11.  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 08:16 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 26 July 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

As far as the 9-11 comments from Jabba....

Let me outline a Libertarian scenario that is so simple and yet profound.

Had we not been trampling over the middle east for decades to exploit their resources purely for globalist corporate profit...those people would not have hated us so much and would not have had a reason to "retaliate" (in their mind anyway) against the great Satan.

Our meddling and exploitation have made us pretty much hated all over the world.  Sure, we pay off some countries so they can spread propaganda back home that "they love us"...but that is not the truth.  If we would have kept our troops home, secured our national security, fairly traded AND let countries tend to their own sovereign affairs....the tragedy of 9-11 would never have happened...

I know, someone is going to bring up Kuwait and that was different because they were invaded and specifically pleaded for help...everything before and after has been for "something else" besides "spreading democracy"...it's called resource exploitation and profit....for the super mega corporations.  Deep down...we all know this.

Just my opinion though...
This is one area where i agree very much with the Libertarian point of view, I have to say.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:17 PM

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Christie, Paul highlight GOP debate over security



WASHINGTON (AP) — A rift over national security is developing in the early stages of the Republican Party's next presidential campaign, pitting libertarians who question government overreach against defenders of a more hawkish approach on national security formed after the 2001 terrorist attacks.

During a forum Thursday night in Aspen, Colo., New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie pointed to a "strain of libertarianism" coursing through both parties as a "very dangerous thought" more than a decade after the Sept. 11 attacks. Christie was asked whether he was referring to Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, a potential presidential candidate who has been at the forefront of the party's libertarian wing.

"You can name any number of people and he's one of them," said Christie, noting his state suffered the second-most casualties in the hijacked airliner attacks on New York and Washington, which killed nearly 3,000 people. "These esoteric, intellectual debates — I want them to come to New Jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. And they won't, because that's a much tougher conversation to have."

Paul responded Friday on Twitter, saying Christie "worries about the dangers of freedom. I worry about the danger of losing that freedom. Spying without warrants is unconstitutional."

For Republicans, the national security debate offers a window into an evolving party that nearly a decade ago re-elected President George W. Bush, in part, on the basis of his administration's hard-line response to the terror attacks and use of tools provided by the USA Patriot Act, which gave the administration the powers to search records and conduct roving wiretaps in pursuit of terrorists. It also serves notice that whoever hopes to claim the GOP nomination in 2016 may need to fuse factions within the party on national security.



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Posted 27 July 2013 - 02:44 AM

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