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#2086    docyabut2

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:27 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 17 February 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

That doesn't work as Plato says, specifically, in Critias:



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There still is a lot of controversy over those numbers, to 900 years before Solon to the Plato reincarnations of souls for only ten thousand years. I guess when it comes down to it, most believe the city that Plato does describe could not have existed 11,500 years ago.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 03:18 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 18 February 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

There still is a lot of controversy over those numbers, to 900 years before Solon to the Plato reincarnations of souls for only ten thousand years. I guess when it comes down to it, most believe the city that Plato does describe could not have existed 11,500 years ago.


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The only controversy is a made-up controversy by fringe proponents in order for them to play fast-and-loose with what Plato said. In short, BS to cover their incompetence.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:26 AM

Well something has to fit, if the tale of Atlantis was ever true:):)


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:55 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 19 February 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:

Well something has to fit, if the tale of Atlantis was ever true:) :)

Atlantis, as written and described by Plato, was not real.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:18 AM

View Postthe L, on 16 February 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

I wonder could we read some hieroglyphs differently. Maybe Egyptians also have had their own esoteric knowledge which they carved into walls in cryptographic way.
Maybe it was written just wait someone to dechipher it.

I doubt that hieroglyphs were enough protectin from keeping your knowledge secret. In the end hieroglyphs are easy to learn.

You don't have to read Egyptian Hieroglyphs. The Egyptian priest Manethon had translated many of those hidden-knowledge-walls to ancient Greek. He lived in Ptolemaic Egypt and he was greek edjucated thanks to what Alexander left behind for this world.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:26 AM

And what's your opinion guys about the artifacts named "Paladion" ? they said Atlantis had one of em. Such as Troy. At least we have some clues about Troy... anyway Paladion was a statue that gave godlike powers to whoever was able to use it. If "Paladion" sunk with Atlantis and none of these citizens escaped with it... Bermuda Triangle isn't a pretty nasty coincidence, according to nowadays urban legend, for this powerful artifact to be at the bottom of the ocean?

I know, it's science fiction but we have to take a look in all evidence we have.

Edited by Panos89, 20 February 2013 - 01:27 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:32 AM

View PostPanos89, on 20 February 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

And what's your opinion guys about the artifacts named "Paladion" ? they said Atlantis had one of em. Such as Troy. At least we have some clues about Troy... anyway Paladion was a statue that gave godlike powers to whoever was able to use it. If "Paladion" sunk with Atlantis and none of these citizens escaped with it... Bermuda Triangle isn't a pretty nasty coincidence, according to nowadays urban legend, for this powerful artifact to be at the bottom of the ocean?

I know, it's science fiction but we have to take a look in all evidence we have.

Science fiction is only evidence that someone has a good imagination. Not that sci-fi stories are true.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:16 AM

[Crit.] Then listen, Socrates, to a tale which, though strange, is certainly true, having been attested by Solon, who was the wisest of the seven sages. He was a relative and a dear friend of my great-grandfather, Dropides, as he himself says in many passages of his poems; and he told the story to Critias, my grandfather, who remembered and repeated it to us.

[Soc.] Very good. And what is this ancient famous action of the Athenians, which Critias declared, on the authority of Solon, to be not a mere legend, but an actual fact?



For when there were any survivors, as I have already said, they were men who dwelt in the mountains; and they were ignorant of the art of writing, and had heard only the names of the chiefs of the land, but very little about their actions. The names they were willing enough to give to their children; but the virtues and the laws of their predecessors, they knew only by obscure traditions; and as they themselves and their children lacked for many generations the necessaries of life, they directed their attention to the supply of their wants, and of them they conversed, to the neglect of events that had happened in times long past; for mythology and the enquiry into antiquity are first introduced into cities when they begin to have leisure, and when they see that the necessaries of life have already been provided, but not before. And this is reason why the names of the ancients have been preserved to us and not their actions. This I infer because Solon said that the priests in their narrative of that war mentioned most of the names which are recorded prior to the time of Theseus, such as Cecrops, and Erechtheus, and Erichthonius, and Erysichthon,

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

look up the huge holes in north and south poles teraforming the earth. Atlantis is something to be investigated but we will never know.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:54 PM

View Postdadatheking, on 21 February 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

look up the huge holes in north and south poles teraforming the earth. Atlantis is something to be investigated but we will never know.

The supposed huge holes don't actually exist.

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View Postthird_eye, on 21 February 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

^
WhUt?

O_o

I believe he is referring to the ones reffered to by the hollow earth proponents

AA LOGIC
They didn't use thousands of workers - oops forgot about the work camps
There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
Well we know they didn't use ancient tools to cut and shape the stones - Chisel marks?  Craps
I still say aliens built them!

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:24 AM

View Postthe L, on 17 February 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

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I remember one more thing.

When Champollion was 11 old he obeserved with admiration on Joseph Fourier collection of Egyptian artifacts. He was stumble upon hieroglyphs. Young Champollion decided that he will understand hieroglyphs no one could read so he end up like great linguist.
When in 1828 he visited Egypt at Dendera he said: "We in Europe are only dwarfs." There he wrote in letter to his brother that he understand reading hieroglyphs.

At Karnak and Dendera Champollion found that he could read hieroglyphs. Then by looking at Rosetta stone he realized that his decipherment  of few years earlier had been correct. He said: "You get better results if you dont think about it too much."

So we can conclude that Champollion himself thought that its easy to understand Egyptian hieroglyphs. That reading it shouldnt be a hard work but rather enjoyment of understanding their symbolism.

LOL One thing I cannot do is ever compare myself to Champollion. Not with a straight face, anyway. The man was a genius and a natural linguist. He could fluently speak several languages by the time of his early adolescence. That certainly doesn't describe me. It's only a pity that he didn't live longer because we would very likely have reached a mastery in our understanding of the ancient language much, much sooner.

I don't possess that mastery and never will. I'm not a professional historian or linguist. While I can translate most hieroglyphic inscriptions I encounter, it almost always takes a lot of work and time for me to do so. And my ability to do so is only a testament to the great many brilliant men and women who preceded me in studying hieroglyphs—going back to Champollion.

The Champollion story is very interesting and there are a number of very good books on his life and achievements. No such book shall be written about me.

I will say that while I've made great strides in my own years of studying Egyptian hieroglyphs, I once dabbled in the study of Akkadian cuneiform—and soon gave up. In my opinion, compared to cuneiform, Egyptian hieroglyphs are easy!

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:42 PM

View Postdadatheking, on 21 February 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

look up the huge holes in north and south poles teraforming the earth. Atlantis is something to be investigated but we will never know.

Alas, except the holes in your view of the world, there are no holes to be found in the poles. Besides, Atlantis and the hollow earth bovine manure are two  unrelated things. Was is an ancient text written by Plato, the other is excrement.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:56 PM

Maybe it was a typo.

"...look up the huge Poles in north and south..."

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