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Why do our Military Members get Welfare?


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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:08 AM

 cormac mac airt, on 21 November 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Many military jobs don't translate well to the civilian sector. Such as my old job: COMSEC Accountant. And for those (particularly civilian's) who've never heard of it before, no it doesn't have anything to do with money.

Civilian jobs are paid, for the most part, on hourly work performed. Anything over 40 usually being overtime. In the military, you're effectively on-call 24/7 the whole year, whether you want to be or not and at the rate for your pay-grade, period. So there's no real equivalency in comparing the two.

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Maybe they do not translate, but mostly the same skills I used in my USAF job were those I needed in my later civilian jobs, with a tenfold pay increase.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 03:14 AM

 questionmark, on 22 November 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Maybe they do not translate, but mostly the same skills I used in my USAF job were those I needed in my later civilian jobs, with a tenfold pay increase.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:45 AM

Sorry, but I'm with questionmark on this one.

If you are looking for a 100% match, there are ZERO jobs that translate from the military to the civilian world. The clue here is to use a "soft" description of your skills and training. Everything we do has a military twist to it. You have to be smart enough to describe what you did in ways that a civilian can understand it... and you obviously can't do it.
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CommunitarianKevin, I am amazed that you would actually equate the military with a socialist support plan. The 47%-ers that Romney was discussing were those that did NOTHING to get their hand-outs. I have only found a FEW people in my entire military career that did nothing - and we kicked them out soon after we discovered this fact.

There's a HUGE difference between getting welfare/food stamps and actually WORKING for a wage or salary. There were times when I worked harder than other times, but I always worked for my salary. I started out as an E-2 made it to E-6, switched services and lost my rank back to E-3 and worked my butt off to get all the way up to E-9. To get a civilian to do what I did in my career, an employer would have had to pay them triple and more of what I made - and I finished off my career making just over $100,000 per year with pay and benefits.

I may start a flame war here, but I think the problem is that you served in the Air Force... and of all five branches of the military, they are the LEAST military of them all. You have no concept of what the other services consider to be "roughing it" and their conditions when they are deployed. I worked for a tour as an instructor at an Air Force school with sister service and foreign students - and when you tried to get Air Force senior NCO's to wrap their minds around things like "hot racking" and sleeping for weeks or months under the stars WITHOUT hot showers and hot food - their heads would explode. And we all made the same pay across the board. Considering the accommodations, the Air Force folks I worked with were WAY overpaid and over compensated compared to members of the other services. And all the while they whined about the accommodations and other "First World" problems. Meanwhile, I was working with people that were working swing shifts and mids and had weekly (or more often) over-night duty and no internet and no AC in their tents and were serving year-long deployments with only a few months between those deployments.

Yeah, I sound bitter, but it burns my butt - and reminds me of Paris Hilton complaining that her caviar is served 1.3 degrees above the temp at which it should be served. Their priorities are all out of whack with reality.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:11 AM

 Travelling Man, on 25 November 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:

Sorry, but I'm with questionmark on this one.

If you are looking for a 100% match, there are ZERO jobs that translate from the military to the civilian world. The clue here is to use a "soft" description of your skills and training. Everything we do has a military twist to it. You have to be smart enough to describe what you did in ways that a civilian can understand it... and you obviously can't do it.
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CommunitarianKevin, I am amazed that you would actually equate the military with a socialist support plan. The 47%-ers that Romney was discussing were those that did NOTHING to get their hand-outs. I have only found a FEW people in my entire military career that did nothing - and we kicked them out soon after we discovered this fact.

There's a HUGE difference between getting welfare/food stamps and actually WORKING for a wage or salary. There were times when I worked harder than other times, but I always worked for my salary. I started out as an E-2 made it to E-6, switched services and lost my rank back to E-3 and worked my butt off to get all the way up to E-9. To get a civilian to do what I did in my career, an employer would have had to pay them triple and more of what I made - and I finished off my career making just over $100,000 per year with pay and benefits.

I may start a flame war here, but I think the problem is that you served in the Air Force... and of all five branches of the military, they are the LEAST military of them all. You have no concept of what the other services consider to be "roughing it" and their conditions when they are deployed. I worked for a tour as an instructor at an Air Force school with sister service and foreign students - and when you tried to get Air Force senior NCO's to wrap their minds around things like "hot racking" and sleeping for weeks or months under the stars WITHOUT hot showers and hot food - their heads would explode. And we all made the same pay across the board. Considering the accommodations, the Air Force folks I worked with were WAY overpaid and over compensated compared to members of the other services. And all the while they whined about the accommodations and other "First World" problems. Meanwhile, I was working with people that were working swing shifts and mids and had weekly (or more often) over-night duty and no internet and no AC in their tents and were serving year-long deployments with only a few months between those deployments.

Yeah, I sound bitter, but it burns my butt - and reminds me of Paris Hilton complaining that her caviar is served 1.3 degrees above the temp at which it should be served. Their priorities are all out of whack with reality.

Who said anything about a 100% match? Certainly not I. I said they don't translate well. And when it comes to the storage and dissemination of classified documents and equipment etcetra, the specifics of which can never be discussed, quite often saying less is more. As to how easy it may be for Air Force members as compared to the other branches, you're not telling me anything I didn't know going in. I was raised an Army brat. It used to piss me off hearing how hard someone's day was.

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